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It is also half the weight of the older M198, but packs twice as much punch and can be airlifted by helicopter in to combat. The U.S. Marines will buy 380 systems and the U.S. Army will buy 273 systems.
Im a fan of the triple 7 but it is not half the weight of the M198, nor does it "pack twice the punch".
The M777 weighs in at either 9,800lbs or 9,920lbs depending on configuration (Marine Corp or Army). The M198 weighs 16,500 - 17,200 depending on configuration. The M777 shoots the same ammo as the niner 8 so punch is the same. Where it excels is emplacemnt times due to hen board digital fire control system which also improves precision and accuracy. Just ask teh Canadians about this. Being transportable b medium lift helo is alos quite a plus for terrain such as that found in afghanistan.
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I heard it has a higher rate of fire than the M198. And it's still a hell of a lot lighter than the M198 and can be carried by CH-47 and UH-60 helicopters.
As a retired 13B (cannon cocker) I can say that this is a promising new design, coupled with the fire control system and the integrated warfare doctrine that we are even now using this is an awesome weapon. No much different then the M198. It used to take 10 of us to man these monsters and the triple 7 only needs 5! This is huge. They are also using precision rounds now that are for the most part one shot, one kill. Long live the "king of battle". Hutch
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Yeah I love artillery and I want to join the army and operate one of these monsters.:ar15
It sounds like you are well on your way! Keep your head up, and down as appropriate. Good luck soldier. Hutch
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Thanks!
B.T.W. Looking at your profile I remembered that the New Zealand ground forces made quite a name for themselves against the Germans during WWII.
So you are following in the footsteps of great men that you can be proud of and they you. Hutch
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I see from your profile your are retired army. what was your job in the army? I am just wondering.
I'm a retired 13B50 which is an artilleryman on the M198's and most recently 95B50 which is an M.P. Hutch
You will regret that when you are in the first fire-position rally
What interest me in the M777 that its not conventional and in a way it resambles D-30. What I've gathered from it that it's somewhat easier to set to firingmode (and back to transportmode) than the D-30. I once tried to ask it from another guy that had served with M777, but I didn't get reply. Perhaps I should adress the question again? How is M777 made from transport mode to firing mode? Does it need spades? How is the howitser position determined for the battery command post (via theodolite or something more modern?) Is the firecontrol system based on GPS or gyrometers?
The GD TADS system is the key to it and is, as far as I understand a combo INS/GPS-based system providing automatic location, pointing and rapid orientation for each gun.
More details here.........
http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_M777,,00.html
Regards,
BUG
More details here.........
http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_M777,,00.html
Regards,
BUG
The M777 is perfectly balanced on its wheels so is very easy to push around. As to going into firing mode by reconfiguring the gun lowering the recoil absorbing pads/spades and raising the wheels. The recuperator stores firing energy in the form of compressed gas and this is used to operate a flick rammer. Pressure is built up for first round loading by a pump. It’s a very easy weapon to handle requiring little of the brute strength most other guns need.
Fire control depends on the gun. The M777 just has a conventional dial sight and line is passed the old fashion way. M777A1 adds the TADS and electric training, M777A2 adds Excalibur software to TADS.
Fire control depends on the gun. The M777 just has a conventional dial sight and line is passed the old fashion way. M777A1 adds the TADS and electric training, M777A2 adds Excalibur software to TADS.
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How is the M777 relative to the G5 from Denel, or are they effectively two separate animals? Both are towed 155mm, but I'm uncertain if the G5 could be considered airmobile at all, or if there have been any developments in terms of fire control or PGM for it. From what I remember, the G5 carriage was rather large and would likely mean that circumstances that would allow an M777 to deploy wouldn't necessarily allow a G5. And for ops that where a G5 would be able to deploy, the US would be more likely to use a SPG.
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M777 is a howitser and G5 is a Gun-howitser eg. cannon.
If we used generalizing old fashioned thinking, G5 is for army level artillery units and M777 for divisional or even regimental level units.
If we used generalizing old fashioned thinking, G5 is for army level artillery units and M777 for divisional or even regimental level units.
No Way! Both ‘guns’ are gun-howitzers, any name given to them such as Gun 5 (G5) and M777 Howitzer is just pure semantics. In the old days a howitzer fired low velocity projectiles at high angles and a gun fired high velocity projectiles at low angles. Some bright spark realized it was rather easy to make an artillery piece do both and since then all ‘guns’ have been gun-howitzers.
The difference between the G5 and M777 is age, cost, technological approach, a lot of weight and a little range. The G5 with its L45 barrel can fire base bleed rounds to 39km and the M777 with its L39 barrel can fire base bleed to 30km. The M777A2 can also fire Excalibur ERGM to 40km. The G5 weighs in at 13,750kg all up and the M777 3,175kg. The G5 could only be under-slung air lifted by a CH-53 or Mi-24 very heavy helicopter.
Every conclusion made by Todjaeger is right in relation to the two guns.
Well thats why used the "generalized old fashioned thinking"
I tryed to point out that M777 is mented for different type of units than G5, tough in todays western armies there hardly is no longer several types of towed artillery pieces in service. For my eyes, the G-5 appears to be army and/or divisional level artillery piece, like old fashioned Guns and heavy howitzers, where as M777 seems to be more of brigade/regimental level level piece expecially in the high-mobile ligth units, thougth Im not that aware of western way of thinking in these things. In finnish army, if we would have these two systems, In Theory the G5 would be in seperate heavy artillery battalions attached in wartime to speculative army corpses, and M777 would be jaeger (ligth infantry) brigades artillery regiments main weapon.
In reality we have similar gun-howitzer like G-5 (exept 52cal barrel....and lot better in my humble bias obinion:nutkick ) as a main weapon for mechanised brigades and the old D-30, wich is similar in concept to M777 in ligth infantry brigades.
So It leads me to guestion what is the hierarchy of Artillery in US army/marine units? Wich level use the M777 and so on?
I tryed to point out that M777 is mented for different type of units than G5, tough in todays western armies there hardly is no longer several types of towed artillery pieces in service. For my eyes, the G-5 appears to be army and/or divisional level artillery piece, like old fashioned Guns and heavy howitzers, where as M777 seems to be more of brigade/regimental level level piece expecially in the high-mobile ligth units, thougth Im not that aware of western way of thinking in these things. In finnish army, if we would have these two systems, In Theory the G5 would be in seperate heavy artillery battalions attached in wartime to speculative army corpses, and M777 would be jaeger (ligth infantry) brigades artillery regiments main weapon.
In reality we have similar gun-howitzer like G-5 (exept 52cal barrel....and lot better in my humble bias obinion:nutkick ) as a main weapon for mechanised brigades and the old D-30, wich is similar in concept to M777 in ligth infantry brigades.
So It leads me to guestion what is the hierarchy of Artillery in US army/marine units? Wich level use the M777 and so on?