LYBIA 2011 - Background of Conflict

[dprijadi]

hi friends

im confused what is the real reason LIBYA's leader got disposed of ? this campaign start with the strange twist where UK and FRANCE lead the pack and force reluctant USA to go for UN resolution / permission to get involved in LIBYA.

Anyone got good intel / info on what is the real background of conflict in libya ? is it Oil ? did ghaddafi hold some secret on some important people ?

The amount of disinformation that kept the obvious presence NATO operative on the ground. Its impossible for the rebel to win without NATO air support and specops teams on the ground directing strikes. so why all these secrecy ?

Why China and Russia keep relatively silent about this conflict ? IIRC china is pretty agressive in pursuing oil/energy on african soil. Do they also get a slice of LIBYA for their silence/approval ?

im not Pro Libya and Pro Ghaddafi but seeing him getting dragged around and killed kinda soured this whole conflict for me. Its like there is standing order to kill him or throw him to the mob instead of capturing and putting him on national trial.

Regards
dprijadi

 

[riksavage]

hi friends

im confused what is the real reason LIBYA's leader got disposed of ? this campaign start with the strange twist where UK and FRANCE lead the pack and force reluctant USA to go for UN resolution / permission to get involved in LIBYA.

Anyone got good intel / info on what is the real background of conflict in libya ? is it Oil ? did ghaddafi hold some secret on some important people ?

The amount of disinformation that kept the obvious presence NATO operative on the ground. Its impossible for the rebel to win without NATO air support and specops teams on the ground directing strikes. so why all these secrecy ?

Why China and Russia keep relatively silent about this conflict ? IIRC china is pretty agressive in pursuing oil/energy on african soil. Do they also get a slice of LIBYA for their silence/approval ?

im not Pro Libya and Pro Ghaddafi but seeing him getting dragged around and killed kinda soured this whole conflict for me. Its like there is standing order to kill him or throw him to the mob instead of capturing and putting him on national trial.

Regards
dprijadi

Libya was yet another domino in the Arab Spring uprising.

Unfortunately with someone as unpredictable as Gaddafi once the uprising began there was simply no turning back for both the rebels and their western backers. The west knew that if he survived he would have returned to the bad old days of funding terrorism and supplying weapons to any group who would have been prepared to take-up arms on mainland Europe against those he perceived as being the main backers of the revolution. Both France and the UK (primary supporters of the campaign militarily in Europe) would not have wanted to face the prospect of dissident Basque, INLA or extreme Islamist groups receiving a steady stream of brand spanking new small arms, strella's and explosives capable of bringing down airliners or causing mayhem at the 2012 Olympic games.

Plus Libyan oil is very high quality crude and let's not delude ourselves the 'winners will be grinners' when it comes to post conflict Oil contracts.

Gaddafi's death suits everyone but the bleeding hearts brigade. The Libyans get revenge and western leaders don't have to suffer Gaddafi in court sprouting off about private dealings with Blair, Belusconi, Clinton, DGSE, MI6 or the CIA.

 

[swerve]

Anyone got good intel / info on what is the real background of conflict in libya ? is it Oil ? did ghaddafi hold some secret on some important people ? ...
im not Pro Libya and Pro Ghaddafi but seeing him getting dragged around and killed kinda soured this whole conflict for me. Its like there is standing order to kill him or throw him to the mob instead of capturing and putting him on national trial.

Regards
dprijadi

The real background is obvious. Gaddafi was hated & feared by many Libyans, particularly in the east, Jabal Nafus, & some other regions. Very many Libyans were living in exile, & in the past many of them had to hide from Gaddafi's assassination squads. The internal opposition saw what happened in Tunisia & Egypt & were inspired by it to protest, but Gaddafi reacted more violently than the Tunisian & Egyptian governments.

This violence provoked a backlash (this may have been foreseen by the organisers of protests), & large parts of the country threw off central control. Exiles flooded back in to the rebel areas, rich exiles gave money, some army units rebelled, & the vast arms depots Gaddafi had built up were looted, giving the rebels weapons. The civil war was on.

The rebellion was thus indigenous. There is no need to imagine foreign meddling to get it started.

Foreign intervention came later, in reaction to what was already happening. Governments which had always loathed Gaddafi saw an opportunity to get rid of him, in the hope that a replacement government would be more to their liking.

French & British-led NATO air strikes, he rebels time to get organised & learn to use their weapons. Some Arab leaders who had been insulted by Gaddafi (he did a lot of that) or saw him as dangerous (Qatar, UAE, Jordan) provided money, TV channels, covert military help etc. I've not seen evidence of spec ops troops calling down air strikes, but we do know (photos have been published) that ex-military private 'security consultants' have been there, e.g. ex-British paratroopers. These people have no official status in their home countries, but the more reputable ones have contacts with their former comrades in arms & officials. It is very likely that they were providing targeting information via those contacts.

I'll shed no tears for Muammar Gaddafi. He was a mass murderer, torturer, supporter of terrorists, warmonger & inveterate meddler in other states. It would have been morally preferable for him to have been put on trial, but the nature of his death at least dispels all chances of a heroic myth. Found cowering in a drain, dragged out & filmed grovelling & begging for his life . . . with a bit of luck, that will disillusion those who might otherwise have been inspired to continue the the struggle.

There's no sign that his death was ordered from above. It looks like spontaneous anger & hatred, not controlled because the troops who caught him were undisciplined & untrained volunteers. He wasn't thrown to the mob: the mob found him, & dealt with him before anyone could stop them.

 

[Feanor]

His death is an unpleasant reminder that the rebels may not be any better then him. He wasn't a good person, or even a good leader. The question is can someone better come from a rebellion that looks the way this one does.