Kali & Durga - Indian Space Lasers.

XEROX

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Durga or Directionally Unrestricted Ray-Gun Array. Though no details on this are available, it is said to be an Indian version of the US Star Wars project in which in-coming missiles can be shot down, or burnt down, by laser guns based in space.

Still less known is Kali or Kinetic Attack Loitering Interceptor, a more advanced version of Durga


has anybody got insight for this project
 

srirangan

Banned Member
There a high chance that it is a very much an active project. I heard about it few months ago, but no further information other than their existence in concept.
 

adsH

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Re: KALI & DURGA – INDIAN SPACE LASERS

PJ-10 BrahMos said:
Durga or Directionally Unrestricted Ray-Gun Array. Though no details on this are available, it is said to be an Indian version of the US Star Wars project in which in-coming missiles can be shot down, or burnt down, by laser guns based in space.

Still less known is Kali or Kinetic Attack Loitering Interceptor, a more advanced version of Durga


has anybody got insight for this project
well just about every country has one of these programs. but i doubt any nation can develop such a capability on there own,the US has the resources will ability and the reason for such a program. first i would think a regional satalite if not global coverage of satellites is required for such a programe. mainly for surveilance and then Comunication. and then the technology for laser is still not very prefect, it requires too much fuel for such beams and space is not the most ideal refuleable place. i think it's the Australians who came up with another idea it was to use or convert a 747-400 and place a massive lazer at its head, useing mirrors and lazers you would be able to deal with any threat coming up for yeah.
 

srirangan

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>> well just about every country has one of these programs.
Only countries that can put stuff up there in orbit on their own can dream of such projects, thankfully India is one of them =)
 

adsH

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srirangan said:
>> well just about every country has one of these programs.
Only countries that can put stuff up there in orbit on their own can dream of such projects, thankfully India is one of them =)
With all due respect the UK puts stuff up in there orbit but they don't have a launch mechanism, ever came across out sourcing.
 

mysterious

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Re: KALI & DURGA – INDIAN SPACE LASERS

Forget it adsh, I'd advice you to argue with people who get it the first time round (no pun intended)! ;)
 

srirangan

Banned Member
>> Forget it adsh, I'd advice you to argue with people who get it the first time round (no pun intended)!

Yeah, just plain ol' sarcasm .. You're not very good at it mate .. Just don't get me started .. ;)
 

Awang se

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what kind of LASER used? what's the power output? how effective it is? how vulnerable is the system to the enemy countermeasures? How accurate is the targeting system? you don't want to have a big gun but can't point it straight.
 

lalith prasad

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Re: KALI & DURGA – INDIAN SPACE LASERS

well kali10000 was tested about 3 years back however it weighhed 10 tonnes efforts are being carried out to reduce its weight to 1 tonne .il76 is meant to be the platform however if il214 gets ready it may be used.a photo of it was published in the frontline magazine some time back.kali stands for kilo ampere linear injector .russia has successfully developed the ranet-e and rosa-e these are emi artllery shells meant to be used at tactical level.
 

Pathfinder-X

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is it one of those "talks on paper" project again?? do you have some source on this?
developing a space laser isn't easy, it requires tremendous amoung of energy to actually destroy something as large as a ballistic missile. even the U.S didn't manage to do it, so i have doubts about india succeeding in it.
 

lalith prasad

Banned Member
india has pretty advanced laser research but kali is not a laser system it is an emi weapon iam sorry i cant produce the source as it is nearly three year old article and i will have to search for it .besides iam too lazy to do so but i dont lie i hope someone takes the effort to searcgh up that article if they want .i just put forward my opinion and what i know personally i dont care wether you beleive it or not .this also came on star news and the hindu newspaper along with a photo of the ground prototype.
 

adsH

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Soldier said:
I will try to dig in. Here is the photograph of Kali-5000 under advance manufacturing and people can find more details info too about the technology.
http://www.barc.ernet.in/webpages/organization/appd/kali_5000_m.htm
Long time haven't heard from you hope your good, good to cya back !!! "Soldier"

Thanx for the Link !!!

The INformation on the link is brief but sufficient!!, i think INdia should deploy these on the ground if they are brought up to Military requirements !!! still looks very early in desgin and developmetn stages, I would say australia is one of the best at Laser based designed they successfully used a quantum beem reader to read the structure of a Ray of beam and replicate it across the Room.
 

Soldier

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adSH, I am doing fine and wish the same for you. My knowledge about Defence weapons is pretty small so I try to avoid posting unless I have something concrete to say. The dinner does not get in my belly unless I have been on the forum though..

Here are more details about various projects related to space and Laser. I could not find much, perhaps you intelligent guys can scan and sum up from these articles.

CRUISE missiles," observed Prahalada, director of the Defence Research and Development Laboratory two years ago, "are the present currency of power." Though in smaller denomination now, India is acquiring that currency.


Hyperplane Avatar will be a reusable missile launcher

The Brahmos cruise missile programme was perhaps the most hush-hush of India's missile projects. The long-range missile programme Surya is heard of at least through official denials. The reusable missile launcher-cum-hyperplane Avatar, the most ambitious of all projects, is openly talked about. Questions are asked at least in aerospace circles about the 'forgotten' Durga and Kali, though replies are rarely given. Agni-III is a matter of logical conjecture and extension of Agni-II. (The defence minister had claimed last November that "India has the capability to design and develop an ICBM having a range of more than 5,000 km. However, in consonance with the threat perception, no ICBM development project has been undertaken.").

But Brahmos is altogether a new name, though there has been talk about a cruise missile programme for some time. The success of Lakshya and Nishant is said to have given the Aeronautical Development Establishment the expertise to work on the cruise missile. However, untill recently ADE authorities were claiming that they were engaged only in 'concept studies' and far from developing or even planning a cruise missile.

The 280 km-range missile, presently configured as an anti-ship weapon, is one of the few supersonic cruise missiles in the world. Ballistic missiles fly in a ballistic trajectory, much like a bullet. Their longer-range versions have to go up into the heavens and face problems when they re-enter the atmosphere. The enemy can also trace their launchers by calculating the ballistic trajectory and destroy them. A cruise missile, on the other hand, is like an unmanned plane flying at low altitude.

Before launch it is fed information about the terrain over which it has to fly and the missile flies either by comparing the fed-in data with the camera pictures it takes or by constantly identifying its location with the help of global positioning systems. Over sea, a cruise missile has a definite advantage over a ballistic one. The enemy ship out at sea can hide behind the earth's curvature against a ballistic missile which flies straight. On the contrary, a cruise missile can fly long ranges parallel to the surface and, if needed, a few metres above it. Brahmos's supersonic speed gives the enemy very little reaction time.

The Indo-Russian Brahmos is learnt to be the starting point of an ambitious cruise missile programme. Studies have been going on for the last three years at the National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL) on the cost-effectiveness of a hypersonic missile (which fly at five or more times the speed of sound). Parallel studies in the US and Europe have concluded that the future belongs to hypersonic missiles. The US is already developing the F-16 into a hypersonic fighter. Studies in India, not only at NAL but DRDL (the DRDO's missile lab), IIT Mumbai and ADE, are learnt to be running parallel to and not behind the Euro-American ventures.

The hyperplane Avatar, the most ambitious of all, is already reaching the end of the conceptual stage and entering the planning stage. The kerosene-fuelled scramjet-powered vehicle is claimed to be much cheaper than the design concepts worked out in the US, Germany, the UK and Japan. The idea is to develop a vehicle that can take off from conventional airfields, collect air in the atmosphere on the way up, liquefy it, separate oxygen and store it on board for subsequent flight beyond the atmosphere. In fact, Air Commodore R. Gopalaswami, former chairman and managing director of Bharat Dynamics, India's missile factory, had once claimed that it can be developed even into a commercial transporter.

Incidentally, it was Gopalaswami who suggested the name Avatar. Avatar is primarily intended as a reusable missile launcher, one which can launch missiles, land back and be loaded again for more missions. The vehicle will be designed to permit at least a hundred re-entries into the atmosphere. The vehicle could also act as a satellite launcher at a hundredth of the present cost of launching satellites. A miniature Avatar, which is also being conceived, would be hardly bigger than a MiG-25 or an F-16.

Meanwhile, there is also talk of developing Nishant into a cruise missile. The present vehicle, an unmanned battlefield surveillance vehicle which can carry a payload of 45 kilos, completing test phase at ADE, is powered by a German Alvisar-801 engine. Nishant's cruise missile potential had been pointed out three years ago by Air Marshal Bharat Kumar in a United Services Institution (USI) research paper: "Nishant holds a lot of promise and provides us a take-off vehicle for potential UCAVs (uninhabited combat aerial vehicles) applications as well as (a) cruise missile programme."

With the limited production of the 200-km Agni-II having already begun, the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme is almost at the end of its fiery run. Indeed, a few of the short-range tactical missiles like Nag, Trishul, Akash, the naval Prithvi (otherwise called Dhanush) and Astra are yet to be fully developed or tested, but it is only a matter of time before they are.

Space-based laser weapons are another frontier technology that the military brass is thinking of. Recently the chiefs of staff committee ordered a feasibility study on them. (Incidentally, the Air Force is already demanding that India set up an aerospace command).

The DRDO, however, had anticipated this and already begun research. One system that has been talked of in a USI paper by Dr V. Siddhartha, officer on special duty in the secretariat of the scientific adviser to the defence minister, is Durga or Directionally Unrestricted Ray-Gun Array. Though no details on this are available, it is said to be an Indian version of the US Star Wars project in which in-coming missiles can be shot down, or burnt down, by laser guns based in space.

Still less known is Kali or Kinetic Attack Loitering Interceptor, a more advanced version of Durga. However, all video-game gadgetry pre-supposes matching advances in space technology, both in launch vehicles and military reconnaissance satellites. Without capable launch vehicles, none of these can be lifted into space. With the recent success of the geosynchronous satellite launch vehicle, the ISRO has acquired heavy-lift capability.

Work has already begun on a hypersonic launch vehicle which would be the forerunner to Avatar. The more recent of the IRS series satellites are said to have limited military reconnaissance capability. The recent military exercises in the Rajasthan desert did make extensive use of IRS pictures, but military is demanding higher resolution pictures.

According to Dr Siddhartha's paper, Satish Dhawan [former ISRO chairman] had talked in 1996 of a national early warning and response system (NEWARS), a space-sensor and communications-based integrated space-ground system meant exclusively for peaceful purposes. Siddhartha superposed on Dhawan's techno-scenario diagram a series of operational military reconnaissance satellites named Sanjaya. Cruise missiles may be the currency of power today. But the currency of future would be the Avatar, Durga and the Kali.

http://www.stratmag.com/issue2July-1/page02.htm
 

srirangan

Banned Member
I really have a good feeling of this Avatar project. It's like a new platform for warfare all together, glad India is taking part in actual innovation and not just copying western material.

A hyper plane will make an ideal platform for missile launching, its mobile and is conceived to cover the entire planet in a matter of hours.
 

adsH

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srirangan said:
I really have a good feeling of this Avatar project. It's like a new platform for warfare all together, glad India is taking part in actual innovation and not just copying western material.

A hyper plane will make an ideal platform for missile launching, its mobile and is conceived to cover the entire planet in a matter of hours.
th Uk has a project like this but it's heavily based on complete AI Arial defense!! automated Launch Vehicles either i think take off conventional runways or are Launched from Hercules Transporters which carry out the Identification and interception of incoming hostile targets it is still under design, but the concept is amazing But bad news for Fighter Pilots!!! i guess.
 

srirangan

Banned Member
The Indian plan is based on conventional take off's and landings and the project seems to have crossed the concept stage and is heading towards palnning phase. Official's claim that the India concept is to be considerably cheaper than the US, UK and Japanese plans.

The link by Soldier is great, read it in detail.
 

Soldier

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gf0012 said:
Soldier said:
I could not find much, perhaps you intelligent guys can scan and sum up from these articles.

http://www.stratmag.com/issue2July-1/page02.htm
There are some technical errors in this (definition errors). Do you know whether the Journo normally writes articles like this? I suspect that they have pulled together some info and got "lost in translation".

Sorry GF, I have no idea about it. Stratmag usually writes about Defence and stuff and I just pasted it from there.
 

gf0012-aust

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Soldier said:
gf0012 said:
Soldier said:
I could not find much, perhaps you intelligent guys can scan and sum up from these articles.

http://www.stratmag.com/issue2July-1/page02.htm
There are some technical errors in this (definition errors). Do you know whether the Journo normally writes articles like this? I suspect that they have pulled together some info and got "lost in translation".

Sorry GF, I have no idea about it. Stratmag usually writes about Defence and stuff and I just pasted it from there.
It's only minor details, I'm just being pedantic. ;)
 
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