Iranian navy ship ID?

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fral

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Can anybody id this vessel, courtesy of FARS AGENCY. Interesting stern cut of missile launchers. I believe it may be like whats on the Iranian war games photo site..any info appreciated
 
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Rich

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Its awfully small, "under frigate size", and is that a harpoon launcher in the rear? I dont know where that helicopter is going but it aint on the ship. Iran has some corvettes right? thats what it looks like.
 
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Rich

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OK, Haze and Grey lists what it looks like. A 275 ton, Fench made, Kaman class missile corvette. If thats a 76 mm gun in front, a 40mm AA gun in the mid rear, and a Harpoon launcher box in the rear, then its the only boat it can be. I'm not a navy guy tho.
 
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orko_8

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She was previously royal yacht of Shah with the name "Shahsavar". Then she was converted to a training / patrol ship in 1993 and received pennant number 802, name changed to "Hamza". Armament consist of 2 20mm/70 Oerlikon and 2 x SSM (probably C-802)
 
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Rich

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Yes you must be right. The boat is to small and I cant find any matching corvette or patrol boat in the Iranian navy.
 
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fral

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Iranian ID

I believe Orko_8 is correct. Might explain why no pics were anywhere, have not checked Janes. As myself, it only continues to grow on world intelligence and the expanding/changing orbat of countries..thanks to all. see you around the future forums.
 
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tatra

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Hamzeh training ship

Displacement: 530 tons full load
Dimensions: 52 x 7.65 x 3.2 meters (170.5 x 25 x 10.5 feet)
Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 1,300 bhp, 15 knots
Crew: ??
Ex-yacht, built in the Netherlands.

Number Name Year Homeport Notes
155 Hamzeh ?? Caspian Sea
 
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contedicavour

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News on new construction Iranian ships

Does anybody have more accurate data on the new frigate and the new corvette under construction ?

According to Jane's the 2 new ships are in reality copies respectively of the '70s UK-built corvettes (3 of which remain in active service) and of the '80s French-built Combattante II fast attack crafts (about 10 remain in active service, several with C-802 SSMs).

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Jtimes2

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contedicavour said:
Does anybody have more accurate data on the new frigate and the new corvette under construction ?

According to Jane's the 2 new ships are in reality copies respectively of the '70s UK-built corvettes (3 of which remain in active service) and of the '80s French-built Combattante II fast attack crafts (about 10 remain in active service, several with C-802 SSMs).

cheers
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The "Sina-1" is already in service; it is a near duplication of the old La Combattante II's in service; but; designed from the outset for Chinese (C-801, I think) missiles, Chinese diesels, and less elaborate EW systems. In fact, they assigned the first unit the name of a LaComb that was sunk during the Iran/Iraq War.

The "Mowj" is a scaled down Vosper frigate design copy, with all ASW weapons/sensors deleted and Chinese missiles instead of the old Sistel Sea Killers. It was supposed to enter service in 2007 but it has not even hit the water yet so that seems doubtful.
 
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contedicavour

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Jtimes2 said:
The "Sina-1" is already in service; it is a near duplication of the old La Combattante II's in service; but; designed from the outset for Chinese (C-801, I think) missiles, Chinese diesels, and less elaborate EW systems. In fact, they assigned the first unit the name of a LaComb that was sunk during the Iran/Iraq War.

The "Mowj" is a scaled down Vosper frigate design copy, with all ASW weapons/sensors deleted and Chinese missiles instead of the old Sistel Sea Killers. It was supposed to enter service in 2007 but it has not even hit the water yet so that seems doubtful.
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Wow thanks, that's what I call accurate and up to date info ! :)

cheers
 
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contedicavour

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akj said:
why is Iran building ships without sonar and ECM gear? Seems pretty stupid...
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Probably because the Iranian shipyards lack the capability to develop sonars and ECM gear... though the Iranian Navy could one day import the systems, unless sanctions kick in because of the nuclear issue.

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tatra

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akj said:
why is Iran building ships without sonar and ECM gear? Seems pretty stupid...
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For the FAC's, it reads "less elaborate EW systems", not NO EW systems. They have no ASW gear. As far a frigates and ASW are concerned: Iranian navy's main concern is not ASW threat I would think. Other than tha, they build what they can copy.
 
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contedicavour

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tatra said:
For the FAC's, it reads "less elaborate EW systems", not NO EW systems. They have no ASW gear. As far a frigates and ASW are concerned: Iranian navy's main concern is not ASW threat I would think. Other than tha, they build what they can copy.
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Provided the Iranian ships remain within the Hormuz straits, the waters are very very shallow and limit submarine activity. This might also explain low priority given to ASW. Though if the ships venture outside Hormuz, they are extremely vulnerable to enemy submarine activity.

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icelord

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tatra said:
For the FAC's, it reads "less elaborate EW systems", not NO EW systems. They have no ASW gear. As far a frigates and ASW are concerned: Iranian navy's main concern is not ASW threat I would think. Other than tha, they build what they can copy.
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I'm gunna agree and say that thats just stupid, they must realise that if at war with US their boats would get no where near a Sub. Kinda like giving up before the battle has even begun:rolleyes:
 
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Izzy1

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In fairness it seems something of a trend in the region, all the Gulf nations are generally pretty light in terms of ASW.

Both Saudi and the UAE have long talked about expanding their ASW and Maritime Patrol capabilities, especially after the Kilo purchases by Iran. Yet so far, little has changed.

Take Saudi for example, very large Gulf and Red Sea coastlines, yet the Air Force has no dedicated ASW or MP aircraft. The Saudi Fleet Air Arm also has no fixed-wing ASW/MP assets and their Panther & Cougar helicopters are equipped in SAR and surface roles with very limited ASW capability. Saudi's intended purchase of NH-90 may change this, until then however, most capable ASW assets will remain the towed CAPTAS 20 sonar arrays on the Al Riyadh FFGs.
 
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contedicavour

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Izzy1 said:
In fairness it seems something of a trend in the region, all the Gulf nations are generally pretty light in terms of ASW.

Both Saudi and the UAE have long talked about expanding their ASW and Maritime Patrol capabilities, especially after the Kilo purchases by Iran. Yet so far, little has changed.

Take Saudi for example, very large Gulf and Red Sea coastlines, yet the Air Force has no dedicated ASW or MP aircraft. The Saudi Fleet Air Arm also has no fixed-wing ASW/MP assets and their Panther & Cougar helicopters are equipped in SAR and surface roles with very limited ASW capability. Saudi's intended purchase of NH-90 may change this, until then however, most capable ASW assets will remain the towed CAPTAS 20 sonar arrays on the Al Riyadh FFGs.
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Agree. Actually even the Iranians are using the Kilo mainly for laying mines and mostly outside the Hormuz straits into the Indian Ocean.
The Saudis are having trouble getting the Al Riyadh fully operational, they just wrecked one a few months ago (awaiting repairs by DCN) in a manoeuvre in shallow waters. Hell at least use the hull active sonar ;)
The Saudis could lock the Red Sea if they deployed good crews aboard 2-3 SSKs based in Jeddah.

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