Irak,Somalia, urban combat and the bull

[Vigilante]

Well... reality is here and sadly it have cost almost 2000 US Marines casualties so the question is: what the Pentagon pensil pushers and the Military Industrial complex have to said in their favor after a failure to provide our troops with equipment appropiate for this tipe of combat equipment that was sold to us the taxpayers in Gazzillions of dollars with promise of infalibility and performance....In what kind of sick mind could conseive send our young troops to face caliber 50 machine gun fire with a fiber glass vehicle? where are the so call ultra Helicopter gunships to protect our troops in a pindown situation, perhaps the dust of the desert is too much for them....How much did we pay for all this bulls#*t just to find out that most of of USA military equipment is costly, ineffective and perhap too complicated for a real mission.

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[Defcon 6]

Well... reality is here and sadly it have cost almost 2000 US Marines casualties so the question is: what the Pentagon pensil pushers and the Military Industrial complex have to said in their favor after a failure to provide our troops with equipment appropiate for this tipe of combat equipment that was sold to us the taxpayers in Gazzillions of dollars with promise of infalibility and performance....In what kind of sick mind could conseive send our young troops to face caliber 50 machine gun fire with a fiber glass vehicle? where are the so call ultra Helicopter gunships to protect our troops in a pindown situation, perhaps the dust of the desert is too much for them....How much did we pay for all this bulls#*t just to find out that most of of USA military equipment is costly, ineffective and perhap too complicated for a real mission.

You don't know what your talking about. Ineffective? The Iraq campaign has been one of the most successful operations in U.S history. Remember, Vietnam had 58,000 casualties. So 2,000 with total success such as the campaign has acheived is AMAZING. Last time I checked insurgents don't use .50 calibre machine guns.

 

[Vigilante]

You don't know what your talking about. Ineffective? The Iraq campaign has been one of the most successful operations in U.S history. Remember, Vietnam had 58,000 casualties. So 2,000 with total success such as the campaign has acheived is AMAZING. Last time I checked insurgents don't use .50 calibre machine guns.

Mr I am totally amaze of your personnal perception of the comflict...There are out there 2000 families that have lost their children forever just because pencil pushers in the pentagon do no know the difference between 1/4 of an inch fiber glass and 1/2 armor plate...You have to realize that our marines in Somalia were force to borrow from the UN post old soviet armor personnel carrier to rescue forces pin down by heavy automatic machine gun fire .... Please we need to support our forces but not with words and statistics but with a call to your congress man and request that our boys ride in the best military vehicle that US can provide ....

 

[Candu Hill]

err...in Somalia the Malaysian Army didnt used post old soviet equipment to rescued American soldier trap in bakara MArket...they used Condor APC (belgium made) to wade through the somalis bullet storm and lost 3 of the APC on the mission plus 1 dead and 9 injured...

http://www.internationalreports.net/asiapacific/malaysia/2003/opposing.html

check the news on the lower part of the reports...

 

[Vigilante]

err...in Somalia the Malaysian Army didnt used post old soviet equipment to rescued American soldier trap in bakara MArket...they used Condor APC (belgium made) to wade through the somalis bullet storm and lost 3 of the APC on the mission plus 1 dead and 9 injured...

http://www.internationalreports.net/asiapacific/malaysia/2003/opposing.html

check the news on the lower part of the reports...

Thanks for the info.....Even though most of the APC have a striking similarity with the soviet BRT 80 ......The point that I am triying to get across here is that times and combat scenario have change and somebody have to wake up and realize that we can't continue to send our troop to a combat area with equipment not suitable for the situation...

 

[Candu Hill]

true...intelligence is very important ...by doing a good intelligence then we can evaluate the situation and equiped our soldiers with rite tools for the particular situation

 

[Vigilante]

true...intelligence is very important ...by doing a good intelligence then we can evaluate the situation and equiped our soldiers with right tools for the particular situation

So far our HUMBEES just fit a particular situation and a place: a tailgate party in Oakland stadium not in a combat zone....Are you aware that 75 percent our our casualties in Irak have been related to the weakness of our favorite personnell carrier.....

 

[Candu Hill]

yup yup...i herd that....Bradley is too expensive....Stryker is too big....Humvee is lightly armed.....i herd that most of the soldiers will prefer Bradley to do their duty but the command wouldnt let them go....in this case...i suggest bring back the M113.....not as expensive as bradley but they will do the job...

 

[Defcon 6]

So far our HUMBEES just fit a particular situation and a place: a tailgate party in Oakland stadium not in a combat zone....Are you aware that 75 percent our our casualties in Irak have been related to the weakness of our favorite personnell carrier.....

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The Humvee is nessesary. You can't drive APC's everywhere. And where did you get this statistic of 75%?

The M1A2 Abrams is the heaviest Main Battle Tank in the world these days.

"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic. "
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