Indonesia: 'green water navy'

[Ananda]

There're enough noices from more reliable rumours sources that talk BUK-MB2K from Belarusia will come to TNI Asset. This Belarusia SAM being taken as compromise on CAATSA and Indonesia political factions that still want non western defenses items. Belarusia already shown this on last IndoDefence.

Again Rumours talk the Medium Range SAM for TNI will be differed in each arm. The Army (TNI-AD) will get Turkiye Roketsan based Trisula system (Hisar), The Air Force (TNI-AU) NASAMS, and the Navy/Marines will get this Belarus system.

However there are also talk and rumours that TNI-AU looking on this Buk as alternative for more Nasams. Rumours say TNI-AU want to have more Nasams Batteries from their current ones. The problem is getting more AIM-120.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

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There're enough noices from more reliable rumours sources that talk BUK-MB2K from Belarusia will come to TNI Asset. This Belarusia SAM being taken as compromise on CAATSA and Indonesia political factions that still want non western defenses items. Belarusia already shown this on last IndoDefence.

Again Rumours talk the Medium Range SAM for TNI will be differed in each arm. The Army (TNI-AD) will get Turkiye Roketsan based Trisula system (Hisar), The Air Force (TNI-AU) NASAMS, and the Navy/Marines will get this Belarus system.

However there are also talk and rumours that TNI-AU looking on this Buk as alternative for more Nasams. Rumours say TNI-AU want to have more Nasams Batteries from their current ones. The problem is. getting more AIM-120.

|"The problem is getting more AIM-120."|

Budgetary problems, refusal by the US to sell more AIM-120 to us, or political unwillingness from our side?
TNI-AU needs simply more AIM-120s, even without the NASAMS.

Looking to recent developments on the modern battlefield, Korps Marinir does maybe require the Pantsir more urgently.

And TNI-AU needs also more Skyshield batteries btw.

 

[Ananda]

Budgetary problems, refusal by the US to sell more AIM-120 to us, or political unwillingness from our side?

Seems all factors play influences to each other. Roketsan already preparing JV to assemble and fabrication on several types of Missiles, including Hisar. While seems Belarusian lobby also manage to convince MinDef on supply of missiles.

Problem with Nasams from what I gather, their producers can not guarantee supply of Missiles. Deal with Raytheon shown asside increasing pricess also backlog of order.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Seems all factors play influences to each other. Roketsan already preparing JV to assemble and fabrication on several types of Missiles, including Hisar. While seems Belarusian lobby also manage to convince MinDef on supply of missiles.

Problem with Nasams from what I gather, their producers can not guarantee supply of Missiles. Deal with Raytheon shown asside increasing pricess also backlog of order.

With TNI-AL having the MICA on at least two frigates and TNI-AU using the MICA soon too, i wonder why the MICA isn't one of the candidates.

 

[Ananda]

With TNI-AL having the MICA on at least two frigates and TNI-AU using the MICA soon too, i wonder why the MICA isn't one of the candidates.

Don't forget 3 Bung Tomo Corvette on the MLU process with Sea Wolf VL being replace by VL MICA. However why Marines choose this:

Over this:


I suspect more to budget prices and Marines taste on preference using East Euro Russia influences assets, then US and West Euro.

However TNI-AU do look on both VL MICA and Belarus BUK as alternative for New Capital Air Defence. At this moment NASAMS being use as TNI-AU Jakarta Air Defence. If TNI-AU end up using more MICA then AIM-120, the land base VL MICA being operate by TNI-AU for New Capital air defence is still on the lobby discussion.

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Just add the Belarusia-Indonesia Lobbyist company that rumours being used as supplier for Belarus defence assets. Whether later on the assets originate from Russia with Belarussia front, is another stories. This company also being talk in negotiation with MinDef for more Mi-8/17. This is part of Prabowo's talk on getting 200 helicopter to strengthen Indonesia helicopter fleet for disaster and logistics operation.

Kemhan RI Jajaki Pembelian Helikopter Mil Mi-8 dan Mi-17, Uji Coba Dilaksanakan di Lokasi Bencana Sumatra - Indonesiadefense.com | Informasi Berita Terkini dan Terbaru Hari Ini Hankam Dan TNI %

Kementerian Pertahanan RI sedang menjajaki pembelian helikopter Mil Mi-8 dan Mi-17 produksi dari perusahaan Rusia.

indonesiadefense.com

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

KRI Prabu Siliwangi 321 has been commissioned and is now part of TNI-AL fleet.
(Is this the same ceremony of post #3400?)

The Indonesian Navy is also sending the KRI Bontang 907 replenishment ship to Sibolga (Sumatra-Utara) and the KRI Makassar 590 to Lhoseumawe (Aceh) for the natural disaster relief.
TNI AL Kirim 20 Prajurit ke Sibolga Naik KRI Bontang-907 - Indonesiadefense.com | Informasi Berita Terkini dan Terbaru Hari Ini Hankam Dan TNI %

Percepat Distribusi Bantuan Logistik, TNI AL Kerahkan KRI Makassar-590 di Aceh - Indonesiadefense.com | Informasi Berita Terkini dan Terbaru Hari Ini Hankam Dan TNI %

 

[Ananda]

From Keris FB on KRI Balaputradewa (FMP#1). The installation job seems begin after the ship being launch (flooating out). The scaffolding seems in the integrated conning tower, shown potentially this Aselsan Mete Han (Cenk 360N) radar going to be installed first.

 

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[Ananda]

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North Sea Boats shown video of their product KRI Golok 688. This trimaran FAC still has not received the missiles. Rumours talk it will be either Roketsan Cakir or Atmaca.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

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Pulang bukan berarti selesai—pulang untuk lanjut bertugas. KRI Golok-688 kembali ke Banyuwangi setelah perjalanan panjang dari Laut Cina Selatan. Selamat menjaga Selat Bali selama Nataru. Kami bangga...

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North Sea Boats shown video of their product KRI Golok 688. This trimaran FAC still has not received the missiles. Rumours talk it will be either Roketsan Cakir or Atmaca.

There are rumours about the installation of anti-ship missiles since this program started, more than 10 years ago. C-705, MM40, NSM, ....and now Cakir or Atmaca.

 

[Ananda]

Roketsan dan PT Republik Roketsan Indonesia Kerjasama Produksi Lokal Sistem Rudal CAKIR | Neraca.co.id

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and now Cakir or Atmaca.

There're already 'Investors' that pouring money to this Roketsan JV. So unless the JV fail to materiliase then the standard SSM will be Roketsan products, plus potential reverse engineering C-705 (altough I don't put too much hope on that).

Frenchie salesman getting bitter on how Roketsan products getting more order then MBDA ones. Well as usual that salesman omitted to talk about this JV. Investment money do matters.

 

[Ananda]

TAIS and Barzan Sign MoU for Cooperation on Frigates | TURDEF

TAIS Shipyards and Qatari Barzan Holdings announced the signing of a MoU during the DIMDEX 2026 defence exhibition, covering cooperation on frigate projects.

turdef.com

Türkiye and Qatar Advance $1B ISTIF-Class Frigate Program for Indonesia in DIMDEX 2026

Turkey and Qatar formalize a $1B ISTIF-class frigate deal for Indonesia at DIMDEX 2026, highlighting a new naval export model.

www.armyrecognition.com

The financing package for two Istif Frigate for Indonesia being signed in Qatar Dimdex 2026. Because that's basically what happen here. Indonesia as defense procurement policy use Credit Financing can not find Western Financial Institution to provide acceptable princing for financing defense items from Turkiye.

Qatar institution are the ones that willing to provide financing line to procure Turkiye MIC products. Thus the Qatar company directly buy the 2 Frigates from TAIS shipyard and channel to Indonesia as party that being finance by Qatar institution.

Currently TAIS also working on two 70m Missile Patrol Boat/Small Corvette for Indonesia. However from my understanding those two FACM finance by Indonesia Financial Institution. Thus no nees this kind of arrangement.

 

[Arji]

Kinda overpriced, no? 2 Iver is 700 Mil if I'm not mistaken. I doubt this will not be FFBNW configuration.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Kinda overpriced, no? 2 Iver is 700 Mil if I'm not mistaken. I doubt this will not be FFBNW configuration.

Negotiations for the $720 million program started in 2019, that was before that horrible nCoV-19 period, price increases after 6-7 years is understandable. But indeed $1.000.000.000 for two 113 m frigates is not cheap compared to the $720 million for two 140 m vessels, even if they are FFBNW.

On the other hand, the two Arrowhead 140/Iver Huitfeldt-class ships will be build in Indonesia. Btw, was the final price when the contracts were signed still at $720 million?

 

[Ananda]

There're conflicting info on this. The enthusiast forums and rumours in local online media talk Istif procurement without full system and armament (Sewaco that TNI-AL call). Turkish and Dimdex information indicating it is with weapon package.

Arrowhead 140 derivative (FMP) contract of USD 720 mio is without FFBNW contract that sign only last year. Thus with FFBNW contract (rumours between USD 400-450+ mio) then total costs for FMP reach around USD 1.2 bio. That's the price range of 2 PPA from Fincantieri.

Yes considering Istif is smaller then PPA and Arrowhead 140, The price of both of them should be less then USD 1 bio. However we have to calculate the premium financing cost in that price. Also if both Istiff also come from existing Turkish Navy production line, need to calculate relative incremental inflation cost for Turkey building replacement order. Just like Italy charge more to get ready stock PPA from their production line.

 

[Ananda]

Babcock signs initial agreement under Indonesia Maritime Partnership Programme - Babcock International Group

We have secured our first agreement under the £4 billion Maritime Partnership Programme (MPP) with Indonesia, for the sale of two Arrowhead 140 frigate

www.babcockinternational.com

Prabowo Says UK Backs Indonesia's Plan to Build 1,500 Fishing Vessels

President Prabowo aims to increase seafood consumption in Indonesia, including through maritime cooperation with various countries.

en.tempo.co

This is more follow up on last November deal in G20 between UK and Indonesia on Maritime Industry development. Babcock will be leading UK naval industry involved. The deal centered with industrial cooperation to build up to 1500 fishing vessels. To be build by Indonesia yards with Babcock and UK industrial design.

The indication also shown additional follow up on Frigate design after the two license being bought in 2021. This is not clear yet, if Babcock and PAL will going to cooperate with more Arrowhead 140 design or another derivative design. The deal for maritime security imdustrial co-op still not clear in detail.