India to buy Israeli UAVs

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Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) is about to close a $230 million deal with the Indian army to sell it about 50 Heron/Eagle drones.

Security sources in India confirmed that the parties have worked out the details of the deal.

According to the agreement, IAI will sell India the drones, officially called unmanned aerial vehicles, as well as a ground station, communication equipment and intelligence-gathering devices that use optics and radar. The drones carry an electro-optical payload system and maritime patrol radar, according to IAI.

Heron/Eagle is a Medium-Altitude Long-Endurance type unmanned aerial vehicle that can operate at a distance of more than 1,000 kilometers and at altitudes above 25,000 feet for more than 24 hours, providing real-time intelligence, according to IAI. The system also features automatic take-off and landing, integrated mission planning and sensor technology, and can simultaneously carry a wide range of payloads.

About five years ago IAI signed a similar deal for $550 million to supply drones to India?s air force, army and special military forces. These unmanned planes operate along the border with Pakistan and in the Kashmir region.

www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/496638.html

What is the diffrence between the twin-engined Hermes 1500 and the Heron India is purchasing, what is the endurance and ceiling of the Hermes 1500

 

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Re: India to buy Isreali UAVs

... what is the endurance and ceiling of the Hermes 1500

Reportedly over 33,000 feet and over 26 hours. (Not sure how much over, but that would depend on configuration and payload)

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/uav/hermes_1500/Hermes_1500.html

 

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if its $230 million for 50 Heron UAVs, how much are the Hermes 1500

 

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What will they be used for Anti-terrorist operations or reconnaissance of PAK military bases.

How about Navy they are not buying anything?

 

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Tel Aviv to sell spy planes to New Delhi

NEW DELHI, Nov 7: Israel is likely to sign a deal to supply spy drones worth 230 million dollars to India soon, officials said on Sunday. State-owned Israeli Aircraft Industries will also supply military surveillance hardware for the unmanned aircraft which will be jointly produced in India, defence ministry officials said.

"We are quite close to signing a deal," a highly-placed official said.

They said the offer includes 50 Eagle-Heron Israeli drones which have a range of 1,000 kilometres (620 miles), can stay airborne for more than 24 hours and cruise at an altitude of 25,000 feet (7,575 metres).

India, which treated Israel like a pariah for decades, has forged close military links in recent years. It is acquiring two Phalcon Airborne Early Warning Systems worth a billion dollars and will jointly produce a long-range missile from the Jewish state.-AFP

http://www.dawn.com/2004/11/08/int5.htm

The UAV has a long range capibility :eek

Topic already covered, merging

 

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What will they be used for Anti-terrorist operations or reconnaissance of PAK military bases.

How about Navy they are not buying anything?

spy drones don't-usually spy on Pak bases, bases even the forward operation bases have intensive Air cover. Spy drones are used to spy on forward army positions, to evaluate any forward of backward movements (compromise'able Intelligence). the spy drones would not be used to spy on Bases not unless they want to loose expensive hardware. they would have AWACS flacons to do that which would be able to evaluate the Pakistani airborne and army Assets

 

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What will they be used for Anti-terrorist operations or reconnaissance of PAK military bases.

How about Navy they are not buying anything?

spy drones don't-usually spy on Pak bases, bases even the forward operation bases have intensive Air cover. Spy drones are used to spy on forward army positions, to evaluate any forward of backward movements (compromise'able Intelligence). the spy drones would not be used to spy on Bases not unless they want to loose expensive hardware. they would have AWACS flacons to do that which would be able to evaluate the Pakistani airborne and army Assets

Current small UAV's can and have been used to overfly bases in other countries. Radar systems identify them as birds due to the size of their signature. If the UAV has been given an erratic flight path, then its highly likely that they will be "seen" as a bird and not a man made object. These things are only as big as a falcon/hawk and can relay thermal/IR, low resolution images via a datlink.

A small TUAV RUAV may only cost $2-5k each. So their loss is not a show stopper.

 

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what about the synthetic aperture technology which i would presume is going to be installed on these "birds" i'm sure the CAP AC would be able to pickup synthetic aperture signals, Assuming Synthetic aperture would be utilized for night and cloudy day re-con. if they arnt going to use synth app then i would assume they would have to recon on non cloudy days and at a lower altitudes where visibility of flying AC would be no problem. what about the telemetry from its base assuming the man in the loop requirement is still minimum.

and plus PAF has recently updated its Radar hardware with Lockheed martin Radar systems.

 

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what about the synthetic aperture technology which i would presume is going to be installed on these "birds" i'm sure the CAP AC would be able to pickup synthetic aperture signals, Assuming Synthetic aperture would be utilized for night and cloudy day re-con. if they arnt going to use synth app then i would assume they would have to recon on non cloudy days and at a lower altitudes where visibility of flying AC would be no problem. what about the telemetry from its base assuming the man in the loop requirement is still minimum.

and plus PAF has recently updated its Radar hardware with Lockheed martin Radar systems.

All of that is dependant on the size of the UAV involved. Smaller UAV's act as pickets and relays, they don't need to have full sweep and interrogation, just a capacity to identify an anomaly.

SA solutions are going to need far larger platforms - there is an energy issue involved here.

 

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hmm true there's only so much that you can pack into these little UAVs and only So much weight can be carried effectively. but frequency monitoring must be intensive too in the Sub continent because each side is aware of the potential recon AC risks.

 

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It may have already been pointed out but typically the smaller UAV's only carry thermal imaging/IR and optical sensor payloads. Thermal imaging is able to see through clouds and inclimate weather.

I believe much larger UAV's are required to carry SAR capabilities, I know that is one of the planned capabilities for Global Hawk. Plus you shouldn't forget that all of these systems possess a standoff capability to varying degrees. It may not be necessary for a UAV to fly directly over a target to gain sufficient data on it... Cheers.