India participates in Red Flag

Snauman

Banned Member
New Delhi, July 24: The US defence establishment is working to involve the Indian Air Force with its most modern aircraft, the Sukhoi 30MKI, in high-level wargames called the Red Flag Exercises. The Red Flag Exercises are reckoned by air forces as the “doctorate of wargamesâ€.

“I would be glad to see the Indian Air Force’s Sukhoi 30MKI in the Red Flag Exercisesâ€, air attache in the US embassy here, Colonel John Albert Hill, said.

The Red Flag exercises held at ranges in Nevada are based in Nellis Air Force base. Its purpose is to train pilots from the US and Nato countries for real combat.

The exercises are carried out using “enemy†equipment and live ammunition.

At the core of a Red Flag exercise is the simulation of the first 10 days of a real war that has employed big forces.

During the exercise, fighters would be tasked to attack targets in the range such as mock airfields, tanks, parked aircraft and convoys.

A contingent of six Jaguars, two refuellers and transporters is currently in the US participating in Exercise Cope Thunder. This is the first time the Indian Air Force has sent fighters to the US.

Earlier, in February, IAF fighters and US Pacific Air Forces (PACAF) fighter participated in an exercise called Cope India in Gwalior.

But before the IAF and the USAF get cracking the Red Flag Exercises, the India-US executive steering group — one of the bodies under the Defence Policy Group that oversees and determines military relations between the two countries — will be holding its next meeting in Hawaii.

The Cope India exercise, in which IAF and USAF fighters participated for the first time in 40 years, is likely to be followed up in 2005 with even bigger wargames that could involve a full squadron of fighters and AWACs apart from mid-air refuellers.

The possible inclusion of an IAF contingent in the Red Flag exercises would also mark a shift in the military-to-military ties between India and the US.

While it is mostly with the US Pacific Command that the Indian military engages, the Red Flag exercises are conducted by the USAF Air Combat Command.

Last month, it was a general of the US Air Combat Command who acknowledged that the Americans had learnt a lesson or two during their sorties in Cope India in February.
 

srirangan

Banned Member
I seriously believe the IAF and USAF will be fighting together in the next big conflict. Perhaps N.Korea, India already gotten many reason's to take out N.Korea and Iraq has been touchy but the Indian establishment would have no mercy for N.Korea ifand when US launches a strike on'em.
 

XEROX

New Member
I think you will find that China has also helped pakistan with Missile tech!!

Probably more then N Korea
 

XEROX

New Member
So what are the chances of the Goverment clearing the IAF to use the MKIs

I think the goverment disallowed the IAF in using the SUs for the alsaka games, i think??
 

Soldier

New Member
Stop acting like kids sometimes. India will have nothing to do with N. Korea regardless. If India did not get in to Iraq which has oil, then what makes you think that India will be going that far as to involve itself in N.Korea just coz US wants it to. Without UN Intervention, India is never going to involve itself and I doubt if it will with UN intervention too.
Also going against N Korea may create problems for India when it comes to Russia & China, who will never like US to conquer N Korea and install a puppet regime on its border.
Some people may say that Iraq intervention was due to close ties between India and Iraq. I see those ties as only matter of interest. Russia wants India to be big and the vice-versa. It is all the matter of politics, support & interest with little relevence of friendship and more of trust.
History of India is, that it gives least importance to what US wants it to do and that is never going to happen. US may be a superpower but not big enough to dictate India as to what it should and shouldn't do.

Not only government of India, but even Airforce is unlikely to use the best of the best fighter MKI in wargames and give hinch to NATO countries about its capabilities. They will use only Jaguars or perhaps SU-30 at the max.

Oqaab, What does Paindabad means? I thought I knew Punjabi, Hindi & Urdu but this word Paindabad makes me think twice. :roll
 

santpaul

New Member
don't u people see that U.S. wants to see how good is the su-30MKI



Why would U.S suddenly want to hold hold every single exercise with india.


ndia is being smarter by sending others fighter planes like Jaguar.
 

umair

Peace Enforcer
If you don't know the meaning of paindabad soldier you don't know Urdu :p
Urdu is basically roughly an equal portion mix of these languages Turkish,Persian,Arabic with a share of local languages.
Paindabad is Persian for "longlive".Normal urdu sub will bi zindabad which means the same.There are many words in urdu whose meanbing you won't know when u'll come across them.
 

gf0012-aust

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santpaul said:
don't u people see that U.S. wants to see how good is the su-30MKI/quote]

Actually, the USAF has a fair idea of the capabilities of the Su-30. It allegedly has a flight of NASIC modified Su-27's. DACT is also about testing pilot competency - Not just about bright shiny planes.

Why would U.S suddenly want to hold hold every single exercise with india.
Bollocks. - you state that you are a pilot - if so then you should know that the flightops with India are an absolute fraction of what the USAF does in any given year.

ndia is being smarter by sending others fighter planes like Jaguar.
Of course you would send the Jaguar, it's a strike fighterbomber, as such thats it's tasking for the next round of exercises. Again you state that you are a pilot, which means that you should understand that planes are selected for rotation to these events based on DACT parameters - not on "we want to send our Yak 3's to the USAF wargames" :eek

The attending nations only send what is profiled for the event. India, Germany, France, Australia, UK etc .... don't dictate what they will send to the host.
 

dabrownguy

New Member
I say we send them! Maybe the US would want some components from India. right....but it would be very great for relations and if we can get good with the US maybe they'll give us Arrow missiles. BTW did India ever get Patriot or Arrow defence systems?
 

srirangan

Banned Member
>> BTW did India ever get Patriot or Arrow defence systems?
India was negotiating the Arrow systems last I heard.

>> Maybe the US would want some components from India. right....
Wrong.
 

Deltared075

New Member
;) Some other said the US want to train their pilot again the Su-30 series.

They maybe want to deal with the China Su-30.

How many other country have Su-30? you can count with your fingers!


:p The Indian got T-90 and T72 tanks, but the US don't need excecise with those tanks because China don't have those tanks type.

:D: Those jaguar maybe use to stimulate the China JH-7?
 
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