implications of the Typhone purchase by Saudia-An indian prospective

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fieldmarshal

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Saudi shocker


http://www.thestatesman.net/page.ne...ess=1&id=101543

King Abdullah’s proposed acquisition of Eurofighters has strategic implications for New Delhi. Many Pakistani expatriates are employed and seconded to the military establishment in Saudi Arabia to operate modern
defence hardware obtained from the West,
writes NK PANT

The news report of Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah and British defence secretary John Reid signing a memorandum of understanding on 21 December for supply of Eurofighters, the latest fourth generation combat aircraft should not interest New Delhi defence planners in the normal course.
But if the receiving nation that happens to be located in our extended neighbourhood, arms itself with the most modern weapon delivery systems beyond its justified defence requirements, the information should justifiably ruffle strategic feathers in our country. Under the agreement, the UK will equip the Royal Saudi Air Force with 72 state-of-the-art multi-role Eurofighter jets also known as Typhoons.
The proposed contract also involves transfer of technology and training of Saudi personnel. Typhoons will replace Tornados and Hawk fighter planes supplied by Britain under the Al Yamamah arms for oil agreement signed in 1980.
Saudi Arabia, which is enjoying a record oil revenue touching $163 billion this year, buys billions of dollars worth of military equipment and happens to be one of the top purchasers of armaments.
But it lacks the availability of adequate, trained manpower to operate them. Apart from the nationals of countries supplying the equipment, the kingdom also depends on fellow Islamic nations such as Pakistan, Bangladesh and other Islamic countries to carry out routine maintenance of the military hardware.
One can find a large number of Pakistani expatriates working in varied civilian spheres, also employed and seconded to Saudi military establishment to operate modern defence hardware obtained from the USA, the UK and west European sources. A couple of years back, a full Pakistani army division was deployed in the Saudi kingdom which has all along these years been openly favouring Pakistan’s dubious stand on Kashmir besides often playing host to Kashmiri separatist leaders.
In such a scenario, should there be a military conflict between India and Pakistan on Kashmir, it is likely that Saudi Arabia may act as a friendly backyard for Pakistani air force providing its personnel and planes a safe strategic depth.
It may also extend full material support to Islamabad in the form of combat and support aircraft and allied equipment.
A considerable number of Pakistani pilots and maintenance crew is reportedly employed by the Royal Saudi Air Force and if they are allowed to fly the frontline Eurofighters against India in the event of a war, the possibility of a crucial air power balance tilting in favour of Pakistan, cannot be ruled out.
The Royal Saudi Air Force consisting of about 330 sophisticated multi-role combat planes and fleet of Boeing built AWACS and manned by more than 20,000 personnel is considered the most modern in the region. Although its mission is to defend economic installations and widely scattered population centres of Saudi Arabia against attack, its usefulness in the event of need to Pakistani military establishment cannot be wished away.
In this context, acquisition of Typhoon-Eurofighter, the formidable air fighting machine jointly developed by Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain and costing nearly $120 million a piece needs to be taken note of by Indian defence planners.
The agreement worth at least $18 billion is proving to be a boost for military aircraft industry in these countries in general and the UK in particular. It could be a cause of concern for New Delhi, resulting in an arms race.
Eurofighter, an excellent flying machine considered a marvel of modern fourth generation air combat technology, was conceived in the early 1980s at the same time when Indian planners put their LCA project on the drawing board. While the LCA now named Tejas is still undergoing flight testing, Eurofighter has begun to enter the squadron service in the air forces of four nations that are involved in the aircraft’s development.
Britain is reportedly acquiring nearly 250 of this state-of-the art aircraft which is set to be Royal Air Force’s major front-line type for many years to come, replacing the RAF’s Tornado F3 fighters and Jaguar fighter-bombers in front-line service.
This versatile all-weather, multi-role fighter with an operational flying range of up to 1,000-km radius, is a single-seat, twin-engine, agile combat aircraft which will be used in air-to-air, air-to-ground and tactical reconnaissance roles.
The design of Eurofighter Typhoon is optimised for air dominance performance. It is capable of delivering a large payload of weapons over long distances, by day or night.
In its Close Air Support role, the plane has the ability to remain on task for long periods allowing close co-ordination with ground commanders, and the identification of individual targets.
Typhoon can be equipped to undertake both air-to-air and air-to-ground missions in a single sortie, switching between the two separate attack modes in flight.
The aircraft’s dedicated radar modes and data-link enable it to operate effectively on maritime roles which provide Saudi air force capability to endanger Indian naval and merchant ships sailing in the adjacent Arabian Sea.
New Delhi must take the introduction of sophisticated weaponry in India’s near and extended neighbourhood into account while chalking out its future security strategy and plans for replacement of ageing fighter aircraft. It must also give a serious consideration to Russia’s offer on joint design and development of a fifth generation fighter jet.
In view of the close brotherly relations and special defence understanding between Riyadh and Islamabad, reports on Saudi Arabia arming itself to its teeth with sophisticated weapon systems must not go unnoticed in New Delhi’s corridors of power. The induction of Typhoons in the region calls for initiation of timely, effective counter measures
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(The author is a Wing Commander, retd, Indian Air Force.)
 

aaaditya

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there are several questions which are unanswered here;

1)how many aircrafts will saudi arabia provide the pakistanis in the event of a war? i doubt that they will provide the entire fleet of aircraft to pakistan,remember the aircraft is very costly and any loss will hurt saudi air force heavily.
2)will there be sufficient time for these aircrafts to join the fleet to make a decicisive impact on the war? future wars between the two countries will either be restricted without the use of airforce like in case of the kargil war,or will be a short duration high intensity war,or an all out nuclear war leading to total destruction of both the countries war fighting capabilities.
3)let us assume that saudi airforce would provide the ef2000 to pakistan how will this aircraft compare with su30mki-3?it will at best give pakistan a bit of holding power but no decisive advantage.
4)when will this aircraft be operationalised by the saudi airforce?
even if they acquire this aircraft on the priority basis it will take atleast two years for the initial deliveries to start and at least 10 years for the aircraft to be fully combat ready with a ready operational doctrine.by that time the scenario in the region can change dramatically with new types of aircrafts and capabilities entering the region .
 

aaaditya

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i believe that the su30mki equipped with the irbis/elta-2052 radars will be able to take on and hold its own against the ef2000(even if it is equipped with an aesa radar).

by the way do you have any info on the ef2000's aesa radars and at which stage of development it is?

for info on su30mki and irbis check out this link:

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html

and for the image and the info on the el/m-2052 radar check out: www.acig.org
 

fieldmarshal

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The basic reason for posting the above article was to show the simple fact that indian paranoia about Pakistan knows no boundries. Wt mr pant has stated, i dont think even our ACM PAF has thought of in his wildest dreams.

Even though he makes india sound like a super power, which has the power and the resources to check,question and match every and any nation in the region, he forgets the fact that 60% of the indian population lives below the poverty line, while on the other hand Saudia just in 05 has generated oil revenues in excess of $160 billion.
So for them to spend 10-20 billion dollars over 10 years is peanuts and india no matter what it says can not match that. Latest news coming out of the kingdom is that the Saudies plan to buy a total of 200 eurofighters.

The other point raised by mr pant about PAK military personal working in the kingdom, perticularly PAF personal, which incidently is the basis of this whole piece. "Dosent that tell u a thing or two about the capabilites of the PAF personal" ;)
Well PAF personal are working not only in Saudia but are working in the UAE, Qatar, Oman, Jordan and Kuwait in different catagories and roles.
So going by his own assertion in case of war PAF would have not just the most formidable AF in the region but the most formidible AF in the world after the US. :D

All jokes aside every nation has the right to defend it self and every nation does that to their utmost capabilites. Saudia Arabia has very real and immediate security concerns, just a glance at the neighbour hood in which it lives gives u a fair idea. At the same time it has the resources to go for the best to meet these challenges and its doing just that.

Most of the concerns expressed in the article are unfounded and simple paranoia, which is the result of indias fixation with any thing and every PAkistan.
 

fieldmarshal

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aaaditya, ur telling me that an su-30 is in the league of a typhoon, now thats the most absurd comparission that i have ever heard. Being patriotic is one this but this is too much man.
Every other analysis that i have read and heard puts it as the only fighter which comes in the league of raptor. Mate their is no match between an SU-30 and a typhoon in fact its mis match.
I suggest u look at the capabilites of both the ac with a biased free mind set.
 
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...and that is the end of it. Thanks Fieldmarshal.

Su-30 mki take on EuroFighter? Give me a freaking break.. even though I have seen far worst assumptions and claims from Indians, such as: LCA can take on F-22 or is comparable to F-22. Facts are facts, let's leave the blind pride and judgement out of technical discussions!

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fieldmarshal

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fieldmarshal said:
It could be a cause of concern for New Delhi, resulting in an arms race.
If Delhi wants to enter into an arms race with Saudi Arabia or any other gulf state than than that will be the happiest day of my life as india will be completely bankrupt in 1 single deal. :D


fieldmarshal said:
This versatile all-weather, multi-role fighter with an operational flying range of up to 1,000-km radius, is a single-seat, twin-engine, agile combat aircraft which will be used in air-to-air, air-to-ground and tactical reconnaissance roles.
The design of Eurofighter Typhoon is optimised for air dominance performance. It is capable of delivering a large payload of weapons over long distances, by day or night.
In its Close Air Support role, the plane has the ability to remain on task for long periods allowing close co-ordination with ground commanders, and the identification of individual targets.
Typhoon can be equipped to undertake both air-to-air and air-to-ground missions in a single sortie, switching between the two separate attack modes in flight.
The aircraft’s dedicated radar modes and data-link enable it to operate effectively on maritime roles which provide Saudi air force capability to endanger Indian naval and merchant ships sailing in the adjacent Arabian Sea.
Atten mr. aaaditya, the above is a small sample of things the the typhoon can do.
 

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I thought, I locked this?


*wake up webs*

Well, it wasn't me who unlocked it. ;) gf
 
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