IDEAS-2004

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super7fc1

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HELLO ALL
IDEAS2004 CONTINUE AT KARACHI , Ratheon company display its AMRAAM BVR missile, Halifire anti tank missile, stinger missile system , RAM air defence system,Lockheed Martin display Orion,s advance version MMA on Orion airframe, advance FLIR/Targeting system of AH-1Z super cobra this system also for Pakistani cobras,Hawkeye2000 aircraft, standoff range launch longshot wing adaptor kit an/tps-77 radar model, Air Weapon Complex display its new ACMI POD & DISPLAY system, HAFR2 bomb, chaff/flare pod,CATIC display TY-5 ejection seat and PL9C AAM (not display SD-10),SAAB company display its saab2000 erieye aircraft and PIA colored saab 2000, german copmpany atlas elektronik gmbh display its new wire guided SEAHAWK mod4 torpedo its also offer to pakistan navy, agosta 90b. Ukraian display its AA10 alamo missile leser guided weapons, MBD.A display ASPIDE2000 SAM SYATEM, exocet family missile ,ERYX anti tank system,a super mushshaq also stand out side with new S.African colore display, S.Africa will get them

(i trying to load pictures of IDEAS2004 but i can not do this
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i m confirme at ideas2004, H-2 IS S.African Raptor-1 60km ragee and H-4 is Raptor-2
120 km rage glide bomb
 
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umair

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If you have taken the pics u'rself then please upload them in the gallery and then link them here.But if they are from anyother site, post the copyright acknowledgements(don't post the pics at all if they are from pakdef.info)
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M still tryin to get into Expo centre but hopefuly by 16 th or 17th I ll be there inshAllah, but even if i dont the ARY1World & GEO have been keepin the news update.

According to TV News the star of the show has been K-8. After KSA & Iran many more countries have shown interest in K-8 purchase during IDEAS2k4. Iran & KSA purchased these jets last yr & r bidding for more. JF-17 is also to be displayed soon. Some African nations have found Pakistani Tanks pretty good. But navy has been on top of both PAF & PakArmy, few countries have asked Pak Navel Chief for various navel equipments, ones specialy made by both China & Pak (Dnt knw which they r ) & 2 un named countries have even shown interest in the Pak Navy's new missile ship recently launched in karachi.
It seems that so far all three sectors of army r gettin some sells.
 
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mysterious

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Mushak deal with South African firm

Mushak deal with South African firm

KARACHI: The Pakistan Aeronautical Company has signed a deal with the South African Uni Group company for the transfer of four Super Mushak trainer aircraft on Thursday (today), a spokesperson for the Air force said on Wednesday at the on-going IDEAS 2004 defence exhibition.

The spokesperson verbally gave details of the final decision. He said a fifth Mushak jet was also part of the same deal, and would be handed over to the company on Thursday (today). Staff Report

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_16-9-2004_pg7_46

Looks like Super Mashak is catching up fast at IDEAS 2004 and finding customers nicely. :smokingc:
 
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Fc1, we are all waiting for the pictures.

I heard camera's were not allowed so... are you sure its ideas 2004 pics? :help
 
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super7fc1

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IDEAS2004:-ROSE3/5

Pakistan air force will upgrade its mirage fleet as ROSE3 and ROSE5 programme, ROSE3 for all mirage3 type aircrafts and ROSE5 is for all mirage5 aircrafts, this programme base on avionics upgradition+Elextronic warfare system, all mirages can use all advance weapon system of pakistan have avalable, like stand off weapon,RAPTOR1/2, bvr missile,tv/IR guided missile,targeting pod,etc.datalink system,ecm pod, SAGEM is main partner for this upgrde programme.
All my news belong to Ideas2004 and i m a writter of Monthly Science digest/ i also wrotte in daily Ummat, monthly globle science, monthly amali science etc.i have rose2 pic and last ideas2002 i enjoy in rose2 mirage5f #741 cockpit/f7p/k8/super mushshaq.
Admin: Links!

btw, the company is SAGEM - not SEGEM and they are French. If you'd used the proper link then we could avoid the issue of a mistake!!!
 
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srirangan

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That's great news for the Pakistani posters here. Can you submit a source for this news item before Web stumbles accross this thread?
 
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P.A.F

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One of the noticeable features of IDEAS 2004 was the commonality of defence arms and equipment in the Turkish Armed Forces as displayed by Turkish manufacturers. As a member of NATO Turkey has access to wide range of US and European defence material on grants and easy credit besides offset purchases, etc. However it was really heartening to see indigenously manufactured tactical trucks, armoured vehicles, communication equipment, etc having pride of place in the Turkish inventory. This speaks volumes for Turkish commitment to indigenisation, at least “commission agents†have not overwhelmed their integrity. Pakistan has progressed in many areas in indigenisation particularly in the past four years, the discrepancy in certain areas is too glaring to ignore. There is no real coordination in national planning to ensure commonality within the Armed Forces and outside in the civilian field, we could have easily get economy of scale in manufacturing as well as standardization because of the vast numbers involved. Nowhere is this more apparent than in transportation where a virtual plethora of vehicles are in the military’s inventory. As for the civilian side, the liberal import regime has allowed vehicles of all types onto the roads of Pakistan, with spares and maintenance thereof problems galore.

Such lack of planning and standardization not only negates economy of effort but has a negative effect on the national exchequer as well. Even though it does not directly concern them, there are inter-related issues because of purchases, manufacturing, offsets, exports, etc because of which we could use the ambit of Defence Export Promotion Organization (DEPO) to study and analyze the areas where we could economically achieve a modicum of commonality in equipment manufacturing indigenously. While this is important in all cases of equipment purchase, it is of vital importance when the equipment is of high cost and one has to pay for it in foreign exchange. There must be careful analysis of the benefits of standardization to the country. One has to measure operational costs against the overall national interest and come to a sound decision thereof.

Nowhere is this fact more glaring than in the purchase of a replacement of PIA Fokker-27 fleet, it was shocking to hear that PIA has chosen the De Havilland Dash 8-300 in preference to the SAAB 2000. There is no question that the Dash 8-300 is an excellent aircraft, well suited to be a replacement of Fokker-27. For that matter so are the ATR 42-300 and SAAB 2000. PIA’s decision was made on the fact of the operating cost over the life of the aircraft and even though the initial cost per aircraft is high the Dash 8-300 clearly came ahead of its competitors because of its more economical performance. PIA is a commercial venture and given that it will have to suffer losses to subsidize Northern area operations (which PIA has been requesting the government to do) it was to be expected that Dash 8-300 would end up as the best aircraft in the “fly-outâ€.

Certain considerations that been overlooked, these are different to aircraft capability, passenger facilities, operating costs etc. Firstly, PIA should not be looking only for a replacement of the Fokker-27, it should target for acquisition an aircraft that can carry out not only the presently allocated tasks of the F-27 but should be able to do much more as additionality to PIA’s bigger aircraft fleet, much more than being a simple replacement. Secondly, in the Northern area operations, Fokker-27s could not operate over a certain height and because of our high mountains, it had to follow the valleys. With personal experience as an Alouette-3 helicopter pilot operating in the Northern Areas as far back as 1970, flying operations following the high mountain valleys was always hazardous because of the uncertain weather, you could go around a bend in the river and find the valley choked with low clouds. With a helicopter one could still manage a turn, for a fixed wing aircraft flying passengers it was much more dicey, the only aircraft capable of circumventing this major deficiency in our high mountains is the SAAB 2000, which has a maximum operating height of 31000 ft and can clear the terrain even on single-engine because it has twice the power of the other two contenders. At least 3-4 mountains in the Korakarams, K-2 and Nanga Parbat among them, are in the 25000-26000 ft range. Moreover since SAAB 2000 is more than 100 knots faster per hour, not only is the turnaround time faster but it’s range is far more than the ATR 42-300 or Dash 8-300. Conceivably the SAAB 2000 can be used for flights directly from Islamabad and Lahore to Gwadar directly and back without refueling, very important because presently Karachi is the only gateway to Gwadar, and if Gwadar has to be developed seriously as a port it has to be accessed directly from the other main cities. When cities of Afghanistan (and other regional countries) open up directly, this will be a great advantage. Given the passenger load factor likely, Airbus-300 or Boeing 737 operations would be uneconomical. The flying speed of the SAAB 2000 makes it the fastest turbo-prop in the world, closely approximating the speed of our present commercial passenger jets. The SAAB 2000 has one more major advantage over the other contenders, there is a 30 years long-standing collaboration in Pakistan between SAAB and the PAF Aircraft Manufacturing Factory at Kamra. Obviously this relationship must count for something.

SAAB 2000 is extremely important for Pakistan because it is no secret that the PAF is recommending it as the aircraft to carry the Swedish Ericsson Airborne Early Warning & Control (AEW&C) operations. For us the early warning radar system is a life and death national security issue because of India’s proposed acquisition of the Phalcon Radar System from Israel. Commonality, economy and the national interest require that both PIA and PAF should have the same aircraft, it is that much simpler for spares and maintenance. Whereas comparing passenger comforts and operating costs is important there would be minimal differences in this, national security has no cost comparison. While PIA has every right to ensure that the operating cost remains commercially feasible, PIA should look at SAAB 2000 as a force-multiplier rather than simply as a replacement for Fokker-27. Moreover the Dash 8-300 is almost double the initial cost of the SAAB 2000. With the almost 35% reduction over the original cost for brand new SAAB 2000 aircraft now offered by Swiss Air Lines, the price is not only drastically reduced it will positively revise the operating cost drastically downwards. This is something PIA’s Board of Directors should not ignore, or at least the Ministry of Defence must take note of it. It could be interesting for the PM (who is also the Federal Minister for Finance) to evaluate this issue independently and reconcile financial and national security conclusions, whatever is best for the country.

This on-going purchase example simply illustrates how coordinated element in planning can be of great benefit to the country. Purchase costs are increasing all the time and this has major security implications for developing countries which have to come up with additional resources to meet increasing security obligations. One must not think of DEPO and IDEAS 2004 as simply an export force-multiplier, we must look at them as major structural entities capable of coordinating expensive defence-related purchases in a cost-effective manner.



http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/9728/
 
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umair

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Ok guys!, I've just had a discussion with one of my sources, and that guy says that press passes for 4-5 defencetalk members can be arranged for the next IDEAS.Plus I'll be pulling a few more of my strings next time IDEAS comes around.
So we will get inshallah hopefully our own pics plus coverage of the 2006 exhibition and others to follow. :D:
 
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umair said:
Ok guys!, I've just had a discussion with one of my sources, and that guy says that press passes for 4-5 defencetalk members can be arranged for the next IDEAS.Plus I'll be pulling a few more of my strings next time IDEAS comes around.
So we will get inshallah hopefully our own pics plus coverage of the 2006 exhibition and others to follow. :D:
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dude your the best !!
 
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super7fc1

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IDEAS2004 Pakistan will aquire?

Pakistan will acquire ?(information from IDEAS2004).PART1
THALES naval group will provide its two or three radar system for this crafts,
1) SMART-S MK-2: Medium to longe range 3D surveillance radar
maximum ranger 250 km/ minimum 150 meters, tracking 3D capacity ait+surface 500 targets, detection accuracyfor small missile`50km, MPA `200km, E/Fband frequency band,it is capablefor surface surveillance, surface gun fire support, jammer surveillance , IFF interrogation support, detection ECCM techniques,
2)SCOUT MK2: I BAND radar( www.thales-naval.nl).
3) PAF intrest in Martin Baker's MK16LE ejection seat for its JF-17 THUNDER aircraft.
4) German company Atlas elekktronik(a BAE SYSTEM company) offer its ASO-94 hull mounted sonar system for PN F-22 frigates, ASO-94 is medium frequency sonar system,its designed for the surveillance of the underwater environment for detection, localisation, classification and tracking of targets. choice of defferent operational modes and parameter settings allow for optimal detection of targets in littoral (shallow) and deep water.the sonar efficiently can be use for the classical ASW tasks the ASO94 sonar is capable to detect: Submarine, Midget, mini submarines,AUVs and UUVs ,Torpedoes, Moored mines and underwater obstacles, surface vessels, speed boats etc.( see: www.atlas.de)
5) german company atlas elektronik will supply its new state of the art fiber optic wire guided SEAHAKE MOD-4 torpedo, it is passive and combine passive/active operating multi-frequency torpedo, high speed fully digitally,and i can't belive its rang up to 50km, yes its true,its hase 3 batteries, torpedo lenght 6600mm, this torpedo offer to pakistan navy's AGOSTA90B submarines, MBD.A's display SEASPIDER torpedo, it is a anti torpedo.
6) MBD.A missile system display its ASPIDE2000 sam system ,pakistan intrest in this missil system, ASPIDE/SPADA2000 semi active missil with a range in excess of 20 km ,its capable to defeat aircradft and PGM weapons.
7) MBD.A missile system also dispaly its ERYX man-portable anti tank multirole fire support weapon against all ground targets, 95% hit result, direct attack, wire guided, tendem warhead, 50 to 600 meters range,13 kg weight, this missile offer too.
8) MBD.A display its Exocet missile family AM-39, SM39 and MM-40 BLOCK-3, pakistan will get chinese F-22 frigates this company intrest showing to puchase MM-40 block3 long rang anti ship missile to PN,
MM40 block2 is 3rd generation 70 km range missile but block 3 is 4th generation 180km range, high subsonic speed, dvance seeker / GPS/ leser gyro nevigation guidence, this missile available in 2007.
I m defence writter/analyst, i belong to Monthly Science Digest, but i am write independently as Daily Ummat ,monthly globle science , monyhly amali science, i have defence writter's panel , and lot of informastion on defence step by step i show you my collection all my report true very soon insha allah.
 
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