IAF to buy 125 aircraft at $5 bn

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P.A.F

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http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage.php?storyflag=y&leftnm=lmnu2&leftindx=2&lselect=1&chklogin=N&autono=206271

IAF to buy 125 aircraft at $5 bnOur Political Bureau / New Delhi/Bangalore November 22, 2005Indian Air Force (IAF) today formally announced that it was in the market to spend $5 billion to buy 125 fighter aircraft, one of the biggest purchases by the IAF since it bought the Su-30 from Russia. Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal SP Tyagi said the government was expected to issue requests for proposals (RFPs) soon. US company Lockheed Martin's F-16s were in the running for a contract, he added. Pakistan had recently deferred the purchase of previously contracted F-16s because of the damage its economy suffered after the earthquake. Islamabad thought that buying military equipment while it was seeking aid to reconstruct its economy would send a wrong signal to donor nations. “I think within a month, requests for proposals will go,†Tyagi told reporters in Bangalore on the sidelines of a function at the Aircraft and Systems Testing Establishment. Apart from the F-16 from the US, France’s Mirage 2000, the MiG-29 from Russia and the Swedish Grippen are also in the race. Asked about the possibility of F-16s bagging the deal, he said: “That possibility exists. Of course, we have asked them for information. It is very much in the contentionâ€. Asked if provision would be made in this year’s Budget for buying the aircraft, he said, “It will take a long time to sign the contract. We are not buying potatoes and vegetables, are we? It is a $5 billion deal. It won’t happen in a day.†Although the purchase of aircraft has been in the pipeline, since January this year, the IAF was reported to have shifted its preference towards a twin-engine aircraft. This effectively ruled out the Mirage 2000H, the F-16 and the Grippen, and brought the French Rafale, The RSKMiG's MiG-29 and the Eurofighter Typhoon into the picture. Though there is no clarity about what its preference is, it is clear that the purchase is to replace IAF's ageing Russian built MiG-21s, which date back to the 1960s. Russian aircraft make up most of the IAF's fleet, which has no US-built hardware in it. In July 2005, Boeing had also offered its F/A-18E/F “Super Hornet†for the IAF's consideration. Boeing said it was in talks with the IAF and the Navy and was also offering the co-production of the Super Hornet in India, subject to the US government’s approval. In August 2005, Russia offered its MiG-35 for the IAF's consideration as well.
 

Elite-Pilot

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i am about 75% sure that Pakistan purchasing F-16 is really what got the IAF going. No offense to any Indian but why are the IAF/IN staff such hot-heads:eek: . I mean look, they are stunned with everything Pakistan does. If Pakistan does get in a negotiation in arms ,they are forced to come up to the stand and oppose Pakistan. And if we do manage to get it, India always looks to something better to counter it. And this is exactly what i mean. you want to see an example?

1.Pakistan in negotiating Griffo 2000 hovercaft.

2.India steps up and says "they could carry Nuclear weapons!".:lol3

3.U.K. goes ahead with te sale to Pakistan.

4.India furious and asks for griffo 8000.

Please do not ask for credible resources as will completely ignore you (DO RESEARCH!)
 

aaaditya

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Elite-Pilot said:
i am about 75% sure that Pakistan purchasing F-16 is really what got the IAF going. No offense to any Indian but why are the IAF/IN staff such hot-heads:eek: . I mean look, they are stunned with everything Pakistan does. If Pakistan does get in a negotiation in arms ,they are forced to come up to the stand and oppose Pakistan. And if we do manage to get it, India always looks to something better to counter it. And this is exactly what i mean. you want to see an example?

1.Pakistan in negotiating Griffo 2000 hovercaft.

2.India steps up and says "they could carry Nuclear weapons!".:lol3

3.U.K. goes ahead with te sale to Pakistan.

4.India furious and asks for griffo 8000.

Please do not ask for credible resources as will completely ignore you (DO RESEARCH!)
pakistan i believe has griffon2000 hovercraft,while india has griffon 10000,i dont think that there is a griffon 8000.
india has been looking for additional fighters since the kargil war ,the only difference is that the number of contenders have increased from just france to include usa ,sweden and russia.
india's acquisition of the 125mrca has nothing to do with pakistan's acquisition of f-16's.
indian airforce doctrine states for an optimal level of 35 combat aircraft squadrons and an ultimate level of 50 combat aircraft squadrons,however the rapid retirement of the mig23's(which are in the process of being phased out)and the mig21's(older versions) means that iaf strength will fall to around 20 squadrons by the end of this decade,to fill the shortfall in the force till the lca comes,india hopes to acquire the 125mrca's and licence built su-30mki's.
 

Elite-Pilot

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pakistan i believe has griffon2000 hovercraft,while india has griffon 10000,i dont think that there is a griffon 8000.
india has been looking for additional fighters since the kargil war ,the only difference is that the number of contenders have increased from just france to include usa ,sweden and russia.
india's acquisition of the 125mrca has nothing to do with pakistan's acquisition of f-16's.
indian airforce doctrine states for an optimal level of 35 combat aircraft squadrons and an ultimate level of 50 combat aircraft squadrons,however the rapid retirement of the mig23's(which are in the process of being phased out)and the mig21's(older versions) means that iaf strength will fall to around 20 squadrons by the end of this decade,to fill the shortfall in the force till the lca comes,india hopes to acquire the 125mrca's and licence built su-30mki's.
Well actually there is no such thing as the griffon 10000. The most latest of the griffon hovercraft series is the griffon 8000. Regarding the aircraft part of your response....Sweden, i believe is not willing to provide the SAAB gripen. The reason to why they did not sell it to us is because of Pakistan's war record and not to mention the rivalry in between us and India. Now if they wont provide it to us because they know we are going to use it against you one day or another, I dont think it is willing to provide it to you. And this is something i am 99.9% sure of. Unless the Swedes conacted Manmohan Singh and told him personally that they are willing to provide you with it.

Another thing i want to know is that the SU-30MKI is a very capable multi-role-combat-aircraft and only costs $45 million(correct me if i am wrong). And a E/F model of F-18 series could cost just a bit less than $50 million. So why not just fill someof the MRCA requirement with some of those.

As the title states "5 billion dollars U.S.", I would go well over that if the IAF is concentrating on getting the MIR-2000-5, than that would just be a foolish mistake because you know that France wants money, and you may also know that if you want a MIR-2000-5 to come with missiles the cost of this plane can go above 50$ million.

If any American planes are sold to India then there is no doubt that France and some what of Russia, will be willing to provide the MIG-29 and the MIR series. If nobody is willing to provide us with crap then we will wait for either the J-11 to evolve or the J-10 to get better avionics.
 

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India buying 125 ACs is an old story... why in the hell is "business-standard" reporting this now (Our Political Bureau ??? ) and also I have not seen anyone else saying anything about 125 ACs and on top of that WHY are you making a big deal out of this, PAF?

The news about F-16s, F-18 and Gripens has not been confirmed officially. This is something that Indian media has been cooking ever since the news about PAF buying F-16 came out... I think, I've gone through the whole episode in one of the threads: F-16 for PAF news comes out, within 48 hours, news about India buying F-18s and how F-18s have been offered to India came out as well from Times of India/hindustand times... NOT TRUE. NO official channel/source has confirmed it and it is something that Indian media is cooking and waiting (or hoping) that someday official channels make the announcment. Every few weeks, some indian online paper publishes the same story: India to buy 125 Aircraft and in it you see same old tale about F-18s and F-16.

Please don't open any more threads on this crap unless there is an OFFICIAL announcement (which would be from OFFICIAL sources not Times of India "quoting" so and so sources...)

News from Official sources is important if you don't like cooking imaginative curry in your brain.

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