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How does Singapore's Special Forces compare with the other Special Forces in S.E. Asia? 30 years ago I know the training was quite tough and comprehensive, how about these days? Given that Singapore's army is a conscript one and have only a small pool of regulars I was wondering of what standard the special forces are as compared to other SE Asian armies.
[Mod edit: Post 9-11, expenditure on this area has gone up - search under the key words, Ex APEX, Ex Northstar (in particular, read up on Ex Northstar VII), Ex Highcrest (Part 1 and Part 2) and Deep Sabre II (a Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI) exercise).
IMHO the talent pool we can draw our Special Forces (SF) from is small, by virtue of our small population; and Singapore faces many limitations in developing specific SF related competencies for a small country/city that is not at war. For example, there is no gun crime in Singapore, so SF medics cannot be exposed to gun-shot wounds or multiple limb amputations from IEDs in Singapore. Therefore select SF medics have to go abroad to be exposed and trained in that clinical area.
The SAF also lacks winter training, as it is a army of the tropics. To compensate, there is a training freezer in Hendon Camp, to help winter deployment teams, destined for Afghanistan mentally prepare for operations at sub-zero temperatures. They get to strip and assemble weapons, learn how to use winter gear and other related tasks in a freezer, before they go to a country with seasonal weather for pre-deployment training. In the recent past, medical teams train in Holland, with the Dutch, as part of pre-deployment training. For six years, all these teams are then sent to Kuwait or another country nearby (staging area before theatre entry) for them to experience desert conditions, as the last step before theater entry. At the staging area, they are issued their weapons and ammo for the flight into Afghanistan in support of Operation Blue Ridge.
Singapore does not have gun crime, winter or desert conditions. We cannot replicate some conditions realistically and these are problems that money or training abroad would not fix - which is why the SAF needs to deploy to support coalition efforts to learn how to operate in conditions the SAF does not face in routine unit training.
When the first Singaporean Commando went to Afghanistan in 1997, he did not even have desert cammo. Through continuous operations over the years, defence science has developed customised gear, such as, inflatable body armour to support ship boarding operations or even portable through-wall surveillance technology to see through brick walls. Numerous incremental defence science innovations have been made to support SAF operations at home or abroad. [nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1KnsrozJfw[/nomedia] ]
I have been away from Singapore for many years and did my national service there in the early 80's when on the whole it was rather tough whatever service you came from...
[Mod edit: MINDEF acknowledged the SOF's existence on 20 February 1997. Since 1997, MINDEF has been more forthcoming with information, including the 2009 announcement on the Special Operations Task Force (SOTF); a force that includes both the Commandos and the Naval Diving Unit (NDU). With the joint headquarters, the SOTF includes planners from the RSAF and the RSN to tap on their service-specific knowledge. To develop a common understanding, SOTF troopers are required to undergo an eight-month Special Forces Qualification Course that imparts the fundamentals. Following that, they head back to their respective units for specialised courses.[nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnviFHnkAQY&hl=en-GB&gl=SG[/nomedia]
MINDEF has a press release on the recent change of command parade (see Army Facebook for pictures of Commandos in desertcam (Operation Blue Ridge), multiCam (on trial with SOTF), and traditional all black uniforms).
I am guessing you are out of touch with these developments; including the increase in operations tempo after 9-11, to support Singapore's overseas commitments. There is now a blurring of traditional notions of external and internal defence. These new range of threats now require a greater degree of intelligence and operational integration, that is able to sustain a level of higher alertness and operational responsiveness in moments of peace. The SOTF has the capability to:-
Further, an attempt has been made at integration to enable the transition of Singapore's disparate national agencies from troubled peace to hot war in a coordinated manner. Beyond enhancing critical infrastructure to withstand attacks, the SAF and Home Team agencies have fine-tuned some operational mechanisms to protect vital public and private installations around Singapore. This is most visible in the creation of 8 and 9 SIR (as POI Battalions under 2PDF), along with increased troop deployments to safeguard Changi International Airport and petro-chemical hub on Jurong island.]
do the commandos still run 10km full battle order in under 70 mins. for example?
[Mod edit: Do you understand the current joint SF selection process and what used to be called hell week (renamed as team building week)? Meeting passing standards like running the 10km SOC is not an indicator of capability, as it is also a requirement for a Physical Training Instructor (PTI). A simple physical conditioning task, that a PTI can meet, does not tell you much about operational capability.]
how would one gauge the standard of special troops anyway as they are secretive in nature?
[Mod edit: The local courses conducted by the Commando Training Wing or at NDU are benchmarked by cadre cross attendance of foreign courses - Q-course, BUD/S and so on. There are lots of changes but where to start? Unarmed combat is no longer taught, as it is lacking realism and relevance (it has been replaced by another deadly art to meet current operational deployment needs in the Middle East region or even counter piracy deployments). Singaporeans do top their class in these foreign courses and have conducted a consistent tempo of operations abroad.
Singapore SF also train with other foreign SF, with Exercise Tricrab (the trilateral Australian, American and Singaporean clearance diving and EOD exercise - [nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Su5QG3_F0[/nomedia]) and Exercise Sandfisher (between the NDU's Underwater Demolition Group and US Recon Marines - [nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_5VRfoLWkM[/nomedia]) being some of many examples.]
30 years ago they were skinny blokes but extremely fit, has the increased standard of living produced a better and fitter crop of troopers or has it softened them ?
[Mod edit: After selection, there is also multi-year process of courses and training to impart the basic skill sets to operate in a tier-one special operations team. A typical SOTF team member will attend:
Typically, what is described above is a four year process. The NDU will still drive the doctrine development and training related to diving as they are the subject matter experts on the matter. Likewise, the Commandos will do so for parachute operations (see [nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPrMp2gB_O0&feature=player_detailpage[/nomedia] ).]
These are just some of the queries I would like to address and all comments are welcomed.
[Mod edit: Please have a look at this Backgrounder on the SAF and this Pointer 2013 article: 'Whither Special Forces? The strategic relevance of special operations'.
Singaporean imagery analysts deployed to Afghanistan under Operation Blue Ridge provide a niche ISR capability to aid coalition decision making in RC South. Click here, to learn more about the the deployment of a UAV Task Force to Tarin Kowt, Oruzgan from October 2010 to January 2011. For details see: [nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghoKjKEkSrc[/nomedia]
While the SAF has strong ISR capabilities, the Singapore Government's unwillingness to deploy Singaporean special forces, in a direct action role to Afghanistan (under ISAF command), puts limits on their ability to learn their direct action tradecraft under fire. IMHO, Afghanistan is really the Olympics of NATO, Australian and NZ special forces. Singaporean special forces have not been allowed to participate in the direct action role because of the abundance of governmental caution.
Below is a 2009 video of General Casey, speaking to SSG Lim SY (a Commando who is airborne, military freefall and ranger qualified) that deployed under Operation Blue Ridge. In SSG Lim's case he was deployed to do reconstruction work in Bamiyan (along with the NZDF's PRT): [nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqD7kjZpRw[/nomedia]
From 19 to 21 October 2009, the SAF hosted 350 participants for the SF Commanders Conference (held in conjunction with the 10th ASEAN Chiefs of Army Multilateral Meeting and the 19th ASEAN Armies Rifle Meet). For more details, see here. The SAF and TNI also conducted a Joint Counter-Terrorism (CT) exercise held in Singapore from 14 to 16 July 2012. About 150 personnel from the SAF and TNI participated in the three-day exercise, which comprised a professional sharing workshop and component CT training. If you are interested on regional developments, do take a look at the pictures of Exercise Chandrapura 2013, a bilateral exercise between SAF's Commandos and Indonesia's KOPASSUS. There is even a HD video of the jump. When Indonesian SF need help, they are willing to call upon the SAF for technical assistance. In 1996, the Indonesian and Singapore armed forces worked together in a hostage rescue operation in West Papua.
As retired US Army General Donn Starry once wrote:
It is not just fitness alone that matters but also training that is realistic, meaningful, and thorough to provide the intangible spark under the SAF's current leadership competency model with five competency domains. Four are considered “core competencies” that directly affect leadership performance, and there is a fifth “meta-competency” that is required for leader adaptability and growth. The cultivation of the intangible spark includes the sponsorship of Commando mountain climbing teams for adventure training trips to a couple of mountains (as the SAF lacks mountain and winter warfare training). For example, Col. Ang Yau Choon, a Commando (who completed BUD/S, earning the right to wear the SEAL trident), has conquered Mount Everest, in one of these climbing trips. The Commando coat-of-arms and the Singapore Flag was brought up Mount Everest on 22 May 2007. There can be no doubt that the SOTF are well trained and led, with two fine examples of Commando officers below:-
[Mod edit: Post 9-11, expenditure on this area has gone up - search under the key words, Ex APEX, Ex Northstar (in particular, read up on Ex Northstar VII), Ex Highcrest (Part 1 and Part 2) and Deep Sabre II (a Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI) exercise).
IMHO the talent pool we can draw our Special Forces (SF) from is small, by virtue of our small population; and Singapore faces many limitations in developing specific SF related competencies for a small country/city that is not at war. For example, there is no gun crime in Singapore, so SF medics cannot be exposed to gun-shot wounds or multiple limb amputations from IEDs in Singapore. Therefore select SF medics have to go abroad to be exposed and trained in that clinical area.
The SAF also lacks winter training, as it is a army of the tropics. To compensate, there is a training freezer in Hendon Camp, to help winter deployment teams, destined for Afghanistan mentally prepare for operations at sub-zero temperatures. They get to strip and assemble weapons, learn how to use winter gear and other related tasks in a freezer, before they go to a country with seasonal weather for pre-deployment training. In the recent past, medical teams train in Holland, with the Dutch, as part of pre-deployment training. For six years, all these teams are then sent to Kuwait or another country nearby (staging area before theatre entry) for them to experience desert conditions, as the last step before theater entry. At the staging area, they are issued their weapons and ammo for the flight into Afghanistan in support of Operation Blue Ridge.
Singapore does not have gun crime, winter or desert conditions. We cannot replicate some conditions realistically and these are problems that money or training abroad would not fix - which is why the SAF needs to deploy to support coalition efforts to learn how to operate in conditions the SAF does not face in routine unit training.
When the first Singaporean Commando went to Afghanistan in 1997, he did not even have desert cammo. Through continuous operations over the years, defence science has developed customised gear, such as, inflatable body armour to support ship boarding operations or even portable through-wall surveillance technology to see through brick walls. Numerous incremental defence science innovations have been made to support SAF operations at home or abroad. [nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1KnsrozJfw[/nomedia] ]
I have been away from Singapore for many years and did my national service there in the early 80's when on the whole it was rather tough whatever service you came from...
[Mod edit: MINDEF acknowledged the SOF's existence on 20 February 1997. Since 1997, MINDEF has been more forthcoming with information, including the 2009 announcement on the Special Operations Task Force (SOTF); a force that includes both the Commandos and the Naval Diving Unit (NDU). With the joint headquarters, the SOTF includes planners from the RSAF and the RSN to tap on their service-specific knowledge. To develop a common understanding, SOTF troopers are required to undergo an eight-month Special Forces Qualification Course that imparts the fundamentals. Following that, they head back to their respective units for specialised courses.[nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnviFHnkAQY&hl=en-GB&gl=SG[/nomedia]
MINDEF has a press release on the recent change of command parade (see Army Facebook for pictures of Commandos in desertcam (Operation Blue Ridge), multiCam (on trial with SOTF), and traditional all black uniforms).
I am guessing you are out of touch with these developments; including the increase in operations tempo after 9-11, to support Singapore's overseas commitments. There is now a blurring of traditional notions of external and internal defence. These new range of threats now require a greater degree of intelligence and operational integration, that is able to sustain a level of higher alertness and operational responsiveness in moments of peace. The SOTF has the capability to:-
(i) conduct special operations tasks that requires highly specialized equipment, and training beyond the norm for elite conventional forces, including insertion/extraction from submarines, or the conduct of high altitude parachute operations to insert men and boats/equipment in restricted areas undetected. These teams/platoons are small in size and are to be used in operations of short duration at home or abroad. This would include deep reconnaissance, beach reconnaissance, intelligence gathering, hostage rescue (on land and in maritime domains), counter-piracy, non-compliant boarding of ships (to intercept weapons of mass destruction), clearance diving, salvage, sub-rescue, and non-combatant evacuation of Singaporeans abroad; or
(ii) work with conventional forces to conduct integrated missions at up to battalion size for raids. There is a strong focus developing a capability to conduct raids on defended targets instead of forceable entry. This includes the capability to conduct heliborne or amphibious missions at home or in the near abroad with support from other elite units or the high readiness company from the Army Developmental Force (1ADF). 1ADF is an evergreen elite infantry unit that provides the 21st Division with a classified capability that has often been deployed as part of force protection measures in higher risk overseas operations in support of US CENTCOM and 5th Fleet requirements (see 1ADF at the urban operations live-fire range: [nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b8EP9gLMCU&feature=c4-overview&list=UU4BCUrNe2X5UJkvzeRG12gQ[/nomedia] ). The high readiness company has an annual currency budget (for ammo and training) that exceeds by many times that of normal battalions mainly because it needs to be able to deploy on short notice.
(ii) work with conventional forces to conduct integrated missions at up to battalion size for raids. There is a strong focus developing a capability to conduct raids on defended targets instead of forceable entry. This includes the capability to conduct heliborne or amphibious missions at home or in the near abroad with support from other elite units or the high readiness company from the Army Developmental Force (1ADF). 1ADF is an evergreen elite infantry unit that provides the 21st Division with a classified capability that has often been deployed as part of force protection measures in higher risk overseas operations in support of US CENTCOM and 5th Fleet requirements (see 1ADF at the urban operations live-fire range: [nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b8EP9gLMCU&feature=c4-overview&list=UU4BCUrNe2X5UJkvzeRG12gQ[/nomedia] ). The high readiness company has an annual currency budget (for ammo and training) that exceeds by many times that of normal battalions mainly because it needs to be able to deploy on short notice.
Further, an attempt has been made at integration to enable the transition of Singapore's disparate national agencies from troubled peace to hot war in a coordinated manner. Beyond enhancing critical infrastructure to withstand attacks, the SAF and Home Team agencies have fine-tuned some operational mechanisms to protect vital public and private installations around Singapore. This is most visible in the creation of 8 and 9 SIR (as POI Battalions under 2PDF), along with increased troop deployments to safeguard Changi International Airport and petro-chemical hub on Jurong island.]
do the commandos still run 10km full battle order in under 70 mins. for example?
[Mod edit: Do you understand the current joint SF selection process and what used to be called hell week (renamed as team building week)? Meeting passing standards like running the 10km SOC is not an indicator of capability, as it is also a requirement for a Physical Training Instructor (PTI). A simple physical conditioning task, that a PTI can meet, does not tell you much about operational capability.]
how would one gauge the standard of special troops anyway as they are secretive in nature?
[Mod edit: The local courses conducted by the Commando Training Wing or at NDU are benchmarked by cadre cross attendance of foreign courses - Q-course, BUD/S and so on. There are lots of changes but where to start? Unarmed combat is no longer taught, as it is lacking realism and relevance (it has been replaced by another deadly art to meet current operational deployment needs in the Middle East region or even counter piracy deployments). Singaporeans do top their class in these foreign courses and have conducted a consistent tempo of operations abroad.
Singapore SF also train with other foreign SF, with Exercise Tricrab (the trilateral Australian, American and Singaporean clearance diving and EOD exercise - [nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Su5QG3_F0[/nomedia]) and Exercise Sandfisher (between the NDU's Underwater Demolition Group and US Recon Marines - [nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_5VRfoLWkM[/nomedia]) being some of many examples.]
30 years ago they were skinny blokes but extremely fit, has the increased standard of living produced a better and fitter crop of troopers or has it softened them ?
[Mod edit: After selection, there is also multi-year process of courses and training to impart the basic skill sets to operate in a tier-one special operations team. A typical SOTF team member will attend:
(1) Basic Commando Training
(2) Commando Section Leader Course
(3) Basic Airborne Course
(4) Basic Military Freefall Course
(5) Advance Military Freefall (High Altitude Parachute Operations)
(6) Basic trade course: eg. Combat Medic Specialist level II / Para Medic Level II
(7) Combat Diver Course
(8) Advance trade course: eg. Underwater Medic Level I
(9) Foreign and local courses too many to mention, such as the Ranger Course or the Q-course (eight months).
(2) Commando Section Leader Course
(3) Basic Airborne Course
(4) Basic Military Freefall Course
(5) Advance Military Freefall (High Altitude Parachute Operations)
(6) Basic trade course: eg. Combat Medic Specialist level II / Para Medic Level II
(7) Combat Diver Course
(8) Advance trade course: eg. Underwater Medic Level I
(9) Foreign and local courses too many to mention, such as the Ranger Course or the Q-course (eight months).
Typically, what is described above is a four year process. The NDU will still drive the doctrine development and training related to diving as they are the subject matter experts on the matter. Likewise, the Commandos will do so for parachute operations (see [nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPrMp2gB_O0&feature=player_detailpage[/nomedia] ).]
These are just some of the queries I would like to address and all comments are welcomed.
[Mod edit: Please have a look at this Backgrounder on the SAF and this Pointer 2013 article: 'Whither Special Forces? The strategic relevance of special operations'.
Singaporean imagery analysts deployed to Afghanistan under Operation Blue Ridge provide a niche ISR capability to aid coalition decision making in RC South. Click here, to learn more about the the deployment of a UAV Task Force to Tarin Kowt, Oruzgan from October 2010 to January 2011. For details see: [nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghoKjKEkSrc[/nomedia]
While the SAF has strong ISR capabilities, the Singapore Government's unwillingness to deploy Singaporean special forces, in a direct action role to Afghanistan (under ISAF command), puts limits on their ability to learn their direct action tradecraft under fire. IMHO, Afghanistan is really the Olympics of NATO, Australian and NZ special forces. Singaporean special forces have not been allowed to participate in the direct action role because of the abundance of governmental caution.
Below is a 2009 video of General Casey, speaking to SSG Lim SY (a Commando who is airborne, military freefall and ranger qualified) that deployed under Operation Blue Ridge. In SSG Lim's case he was deployed to do reconstruction work in Bamiyan (along with the NZDF's PRT): [nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqD7kjZpRw[/nomedia]
From 19 to 21 October 2009, the SAF hosted 350 participants for the SF Commanders Conference (held in conjunction with the 10th ASEAN Chiefs of Army Multilateral Meeting and the 19th ASEAN Armies Rifle Meet). For more details, see here. The SAF and TNI also conducted a Joint Counter-Terrorism (CT) exercise held in Singapore from 14 to 16 July 2012. About 150 personnel from the SAF and TNI participated in the three-day exercise, which comprised a professional sharing workshop and component CT training. If you are interested on regional developments, do take a look at the pictures of Exercise Chandrapura 2013, a bilateral exercise between SAF's Commandos and Indonesia's KOPASSUS. There is even a HD video of the jump. When Indonesian SF need help, they are willing to call upon the SAF for technical assistance. In 1996, the Indonesian and Singapore armed forces worked together in a hostage rescue operation in West Papua.
As retired US Army General Donn Starry once wrote:
"Wars are won by the courage of soldiers, the quality of leaders, and the excellence of training. Of the soldier’s courage, there is no doubt. The quality of our leaders can be enhanced by the excellence of training, training that is realistic, meaningful, and thorough; training that adheres to standards that are understood and achievable; training that provides the intangible spark that convinces our soldiers and our leaders that they can and must win the battles of the next war; training that gives them the will and the knowledge that they are the best; training that provides them the skills and craftsmanship to do the job."
It is not just fitness alone that matters but also training that is realistic, meaningful, and thorough to provide the intangible spark under the SAF's current leadership competency model with five competency domains. Four are considered “core competencies” that directly affect leadership performance, and there is a fifth “meta-competency” that is required for leader adaptability and growth. The cultivation of the intangible spark includes the sponsorship of Commando mountain climbing teams for adventure training trips to a couple of mountains (as the SAF lacks mountain and winter warfare training). For example, Col. Ang Yau Choon, a Commando (who completed BUD/S, earning the right to wear the SEAL trident), has conquered Mount Everest, in one of these climbing trips. The Commando coat-of-arms and the Singapore Flag was brought up Mount Everest on 22 May 2007. There can be no doubt that the SOTF are well trained and led, with two fine examples of Commando officers below:-
(i) Col. (Ret) Lo Yong Poo, was appointed as Military Adviser to the United Nations Special Mission in Afghanistan (UNSMA) in 1997. He successfully conducted the helicopter evacuation of 15 UN staff members and 2 NGO personnel trapped in Mazar-i-Sharif on 15 September 1997. LTC Lo received the SAF Medal for Distinguished Act, for remaining behind in an area that was overrun by insurgents to see to the safe extrication of UN officials after extensive fighting broke out during his participation in UNSMA.
(ii) Col. Mike Tan, who is US Army Ranger and Pathfinder trained, served as a Strategic Planner in the J5 Directorate of the US Central Command where he participated in planning in Operation Enduring Freedom. He was awarded the US Army Meritorious Service Medal for his service.]
(ii) Col. Mike Tan, who is US Army Ranger and Pathfinder trained, served as a Strategic Planner in the J5 Directorate of the US Central Command where he participated in planning in Operation Enduring Freedom. He was awarded the US Army Meritorious Service Medal for his service.]
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