Has there ever been a fighter made like the Mig-25?

[Comrade69]

Well I really don't know much about planes but im fascinated with them I try to read up on them as much as I can.

I really recently fell in love with the Mig-25 all i got to say is what a beast. The reason I love it so much is the power and altitude it has.

Its rated at 80k feet however pilots have said they have taken it too 100k feet, to the edge of space. and they also say its one of the only planes every built that can almost climb in a 90 degree angle without the engines stalling...

has there ever been any fighters(not talking about concepts and pro-type planes) that can climb that high?

 

[Feanor]

The MiG-31 maybe?

 

[Xrm150]

has there ever been any fighters(not talking about concepts and pro-type planes) that can climb that high?

What the pilot did is called a "Zoom run"(i think). Its where all you want to do is see how high you can get the aircraft to go. So the pilot of the MiG-25 "Alexander Fedotov" went to max speed then just pulled the stick back. After the engines cut out the aircraft continued on a ballistic trajectory reaching 123,523ft. The bad thing about the MiG-25 is the range of 750miles.

I believe the F-104 Star Fighter has gone over 100k. Of course the SR-71 is the highest horizontal flying aircraft. Also the F-15 can accelerate at a 90degree angle.

 

[rcsribby]

Mig 25

The mig 25 was made in response to the xb-70 , the ussr thought that it need a high and fast jet to intercept the XB-70 . As far as performance it was capable of top speed of around mach3.2 , which the jet was a trure interceptor in the true sense of the word. Some say that it had a steel honeycomb skin in places to be able to stand the high temp.s associated whith high speed flight. It had two huge engines that gave it it's speed , is was no DOGFIGHTER it could not turn well most of them in the ussr arsenal ended up being turned into recon jets. The IAF shot down a number of them aswell as the usa shot down a few of the in the first gulf war. It was no match for an F-15, which i am very disapointed in all these top ten shows on the history,discovery,& and military channels because the F-15 did not make any of their lists. It was and is probably the best fighter ever made up to this point. I excluded the F-22 because it has not seen combat yet,but it is better than the F-15 today. Getting back to the F-15 being the best it has 104 air to air killsto zero haveing been shot down by another aaircraft. No other airplane evens comes close which makes it the best.And these were so-called experts on these shows. how crazy is that!

 

[Xrm150]

Getting back to the F-15 being the best it has 104 air to air killsto zero haveing been shot down by another aaircraft. No other airplane evens comes close which makes it the best.

Your forgetting the F-14. It has a 164-1 ratio. That 1 loss came from a MiG-21's cannons after the F-14 had engine failure.

 

[gf0012-aust]

This thread needs to improve in quality pretty quickly, and its got a fairly limited timeframe left to do that

If it turns into x vs y or a fanboys guide to "making stuff up" its going to get parked quick smart

 

[wormhole]

The main effect that the MiG 25 had was to spur on development of the F-15. AFAIK if the MiG25 flew high Mach for an extended period of time, the engines would be trashed and need to be replaced from what I read. Intrerestingly, wasn't the first US kill of a MiG 25 done by a F-16? Something probably never envisioned by either side as a likelihood.

 

[Haavarla]

From the book 'F-15 Engaged'. An Former F-15 pilot state he shot down a Mig-25 in Desert Storm.
But it took three missiles to do so, cause the first two was twarted by Flares in a exellent manner by the Iraqi Mig-25 Pilot.

Anyway i read later on that both pilots(the Mig pilot survived) meet again at the training program of the new iraq AF years later.
Neighter knew about each other, and it was just a coincident that revailed the connection.
Must have been special for both of em to meet face to face.

 

[Twinblade]

There was an interesting story that came out of IAF, when the MiG-25 was officially declassified on its retirement day from the force, about chasing the corona of a solar eclipse for an experiment to be carried out for department of science and technology. Shiv Aroor, published the accounts of Air Marshal Sumit Mukherji who undertook that flight.

Air Mshl Sumit Mukerji: The Man Who Chased an Eclipse in a Foxbat

Air Marshal S Mukerji, Air Officer-in-charge Personnel (AOP) at Air Headquarters was the then Commanding Officer of IAF’s only Mig-25 Squadron, christened – Trisonics, based at Bareilly. Then a Group Captain, Air Marshal Mukerji had this rare opportunity to fly the Mig-25 on that day to film the Sun’s corona from an astounding altitude of 80,000 feet, straight from the Stratosphere.

“We flew at Mach 2.5 in the path of the eclipse at 80,000 feet along the planned central axis of the eclipse over Neemkathana, near Agra”, recalls Air Marshal Mukerji of his historic sortie that finds a mention in his flying log book plainly as - ‘Supersonic Profile’. Weather and other visibility were not any constraints, he says, as clarity at stratospheric levels is far better than that nearer ground.

With a manual Hasselblad camera mounted above the instrument panel, a special lead and button provided to the second pilot, Wing Commander YS Babu seated in the front cockpit, the duo with special solar filters on their visors flew straight towards the Sun for a minute and twenty-four seconds, clicking never-before images of the spectacle, during the total solar eclipse.

I am sure this particular task could have been carried out by specially launched satellites, but why bother when you have the Foxbat

It was also regarded as a highly capable recon platform in the IAF; from BR foxbat page

“These aircraft can map a country the size of Pakistan in a single-digit number of missions. Frankly, we can push our Foxbats for another 2-3 years, but after three life extensions, it’s prudent to retire them now,” says Wing Commander Alok Chauhan.

 

[T.C.P]

The Mig-25 is the only Iraqi air craft which got air to air kills in the 1991 war. IIRC an F-18 was shot down by a mig-25/

 

[wormhole]

The Mig-25 is the only Iraqi air craft which got air to air kills in the 1991 war. IIRC an F-18 was shot down by a mig-25/

Isn't this the Scott Speicher shootdown?

 

[Abraham Gubler]

The Mig-25 is the only Iraqi air craft which got air to air kills in the 1991 war. IIRC an F-18 was shot down by a mig-25/

But only after USAF AWACS refused a USN Hornet approval to shoot down this same MiG-25. It later flew away and most likely shot down LCDR Scott Speicher's F/A-18. Though it is still ajudged a probable because the Iraqis didn't seem to be very aware that they had achieved a kill.

PS Wormhole: Try and show a little bit more respect when you are talking about a real, identifiable person who lost their life in the service of their country. Use his name and rank and actually describe the event rather than just refer to it as if it was a slogan or trademark.

 

[Comrade69]

The MiG-31 maybe?

Can that plane even hit 80k feet?

and guys, i dont get why your comparing this air craft to the f-15

i could care less about kill ratio and dog3 fighting

what impressed me about this plane is how it can go to the edge of space and theoretically climb steep without stalling


and didnt this plane set like a number of records?

 

[Abraham Gubler]

i could care less about kill ratio and dog3 fighting

Then get all excited on another forum. This is for military discussion where such things are quite important.

what impressed me about this plane is how it can go to the edge of space and theoretically climb steep without stalling

Any jet fighter with positive thrust to weight ratio can fly straight up on its tail. Jet fighter engines don’t “stall” because they are vertical. The wings of an aircraft won’t be generating any lift and technically stalling but the plane will still climb because of pure thrust.

There are many planes like the F-16 which will sit on their tail and out climb a MiG-25. But what makes the MiG-25 climb higher is because it will use its wings to generate lift plus high thrust and an engine that can sustain high thrust in thin air. Then in a zoom climb because it is much heavier it will have a lot more kinetic energy to keep it going until gravity pulls it back.

and didnt this plane set like a number of records?

Yes and it still holds one for highest zoom climb of a jet powered aircraft.

Of course you could find out every thing in this thread for yourself just by reading:

Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How frigging hard must that be?

 

[Haavarla]

Can Mig-31 even hit 80k feet?
and didnt this plane set like a number of records?

Not sustained, but the Mig-31 should be able to reach it in a climb.

The Mig-31 also set some records. That beeing able to sustain high speed for a long duration of times. Something the Mig-25 could not do..

In my mind the Mig-31 design is far more superior vs the Mig-25.. for its intended purpose.

 

[gf0012-aust]

though I wonder if anyone got the same impression you did?

You'll probably find that the defence professionals are more likely to take umbrage as it is important.

They carry their rank - even when they pass on

It may seem trivial to some, but people like LCDR Scott Speicher deserve respect and not addressing them properly by their rank will be seen by any number of people as disrespectful.

 

[wormhole]

You'll probably find that the defence professionals are more likely to take umbrage as it is important.

They carry their rank - even when they pass on

It may seem trivial to some, but people like LCDR Scott Speicher deserve respect and not addressing them properly by their rank will be seen by any number of people as disrespectful.

OK GF.. I get your point.. it was a spur-of-the-moment post on my part and I didn't feel inclined at the time to refresh my memory as to his rank and other details on the incident.. what I find harder to accept is to characterize my post as a "slogan or a trademark".. my post was accurate and factual and concise,, don't know how that was interpreted to be sloganeering or trademarking. well can't please everyone I suppose.. moving along now....

 

[gf0012-aust]

OK GF.. I get your point...

From my perspective, its done and dusted.

It would be an issue if you were a serial offender - which you are not. We all make mistakes and usually we assume that it's unintentional

no harm - no foul.

 

[Comrade69]

thanks for all that insight on the mig 25 guys.

and to the ones that are comparing it to the f-15...isnt it more fair to compare the f-15 to the mig-29? their both built in almost the same time frame

 

[Waylander]

Simplified the natural contemporary to the Eagle is the Su-27 as it represents the heavier high part of the russian high low mix with the MiG-29 being the counterpart of the F-16.

One could argue that the F-14 with it's long range interception role against enemy bombers is somewhat comparable to the Mig-25 and Mig-31 but that is stretching it.