Govt unsure aircraft carrier plan can meet deadline

typhoon

New Member
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticleSearch.aspx?storyID=189424+18-Oct-2005+RTRS&srch=carrier

By Michael Smith

LONDON (Reuters) - The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said on Tuesday it was unlikely to finish assessing costs and designs for its 2.9 billion pound aircraft carrier programme this year, fuelling doubts about whether its most powerful ships will be delivered on time.

The MoD's project leader for the programme, John Coles, also told a parliamentary committee that France was expected to decide by mid-December whether it would build a carrier based on the same design, instead of mid-October as previously expected.

The target to deliver two ships to the Royal Navy, one by 2012 and the other by 2015, was not being revised back, but Coles admitted he did not know if it was achievable.

"The answer is I don't know yet," Coles told MPs when asked if the targets were feasible.

"We have to do our best to try and achieve it but we will only agree to a date once we have made the main investment decision."

Coles said a decision on the programme's "main gate" phase, which would finalise performance, time and cost parameters and allocate work to shipyards, would not be completed this year.

MPs said they were previously told to expect a decision in the second half of 2005.

"This will only be decided when we are confident we have teased out the relationship between cost, performance and schedule," Coles said.

Talks had been going for two years on the possibility of France adapting the design, but there would not be an agreement unless spreading the work across three ships created cost savings, Coles told MPs.

Coles also rejected concerns that some work would be taken outside of Britain if France became involved, saying there was more than enough capacity to build the ships in the UK.

Plans for the country's biggest warships, first approved seven years ago, have still not resolved which company will do what or whether the 2.9 billion pound budget will cover costs.

Several industry officials and analysts have said the programme would cost closer to 4 billion pounds, or more than 33 percent above the ministry's budget, leading some of them to question whether the delivery dates could still be achieved.

Instead of appointing a single company as prime contractor, the MoD has formed a risk-sharing alliance with BAE Systems and France's Thales.

The MoD appointed an outside company, Halliburton unit Kellogg Brown & Root, in February to coordinate the project.


© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.
 

knightrider4

Active Member
Doesn't the final design of the carrier depend on whether the JSF B gets into full rate production. As I understand it the preference is for the stovl carrier design as it will be a cheaper configuration to the traditional carriers designed for ctol operations.
 

Pursuit Curve

New Member
knightrider4 said:
Doesn't the final design of the carrier depend on whether the JSF B gets into full rate production. As I understand it the preference is for the stovl carrier design as it will be a cheaper configuration to the traditional carriers designed for ctol operations.
As far as I understand the Carrier was designed with the F35 in mind, especially with the retirement of Harrier from the RAF and I believe also the RN, there are no Airframes in the UK that could utilise this design.

But of course my info is old, is there anyone that would know any other data regarding this?

Unless of course we see Typhoons flying off, which I honestly canot see because of its present design, and the initial drawing has a ramp which denotes fixed wing ops.
 

Wild Weasel

Defense Professional
Verified Defense Pro
If it hinges on JSF, then it's practically a done deal- JSF is too big, and too international for it to be canceled at this point. I belive that the USMC requirement alone would ensure the STOVL JSF's full-rate production.
The AV-8B+ Harrier II is a great plane. But, it's time to go forward.
 

knightrider4

Active Member
Personally I hope the STOVL JSF gets up as Australia may deploy them on the two LHD'S thats if the Spanish Strategic Projection Ship gets chosen. A dozen F-35 B's would provide great CAS for deployed troops ashore.
 

typhoon

New Member
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #8
The secretary of Defence, John Reid recently held a joint press conference Rumsfeld and again committed Britains future to the JSF (now JCA).

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2005/11/mil-051107-dod02.htm

As for Britains future carrier it will be in the region of 60-70,000 tons and initially will be configured with a ski jump but will also have the capability to be retro-fitted with a either steam or electro magnetic catapult.
 

Pursuit Curve

New Member
typhoon said:
The secretary of Defence, John Reid recently held a joint press conference Rumsfeld and again committed Britains future to the JSF (now JCA).

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2005/11/mil-051107-dod02.htm

As for Britains future carrier it will be in the region of 60-70,000 tons and initially will be configured with a ski jump but will also have the capability to be retro-fitted with a either steam or electro magnetic catapult.
Electro magnetic catapult! Hey, tell me more
 
Top