Fresh Purchases of Arms by India.

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vicky007

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Folks , Looks like the Race is on!!!!!!


http://news.indiainfo.com/2005/03/29/2903planes.html


India to buy 11 Dornier aircraft from Germany
Tuesday, March 29 2005 21:56 Hrs (IST) - World Time -

New Delhi: Close on the heels of the US offer to sell F-16 or F-18 warplanes, India today (Mar 29, 2005) announced its decision to buy 11 Dornier aircraft from Germany and hold price negotiations for purchase of 12 French-made Mirage 2005 fighters from Qatar.

The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS), chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, also cleared induction of nine off-shore patrol vessels for the Navy, purchase of one C-303 submarine-fired torpedo decoy system from Italy and upgradation of 14 aircraft carrier-based British-made Sea Harriers planes.

The CCS also approved time and cost revision for manufacture of intermediate jet trainer by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited at a cost Rs 467 crore as against 1997 price of Rs 180 crore, Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters.

He said the CCS authorised the Defence Ministry to carry out price negotiations for 12 used Mirage 2005 warplanes from Qatar, which have 80 to 85 per cent of their operational life intact.
 
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I guess no Orions (pc-3s) for indians then .... seems like retalitation to the F-16 offer to Pakistan ... and if thats the case then i guess we can be certain that they wont be buying the supposedly 'offered' F-16s and F-18s
 
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we will be getting the already planned 3 PC-3 Orions.

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instantexcess said:
I guess no Orions (pc-3s) for indians then .... seems like retalitation to the F-16 offer to Pakistan ... and if thats the case then i guess we can be certain that they wont be buying the supposedly 'offered' F-16s and F-18s
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True, I was thinking that as well. This is mere retalliation to Pakistan buying the F-16s and this rules out the small chances of them getting F-16s and F-18s. But what is Pakistan going to do? The F-16s and JH-17s aren't enough.
 
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Guys, the Dorniers are regional transport AC. There is a jet version and a turboprop version. They are not ASW platforms. They have designed a version of the jet for an AEW&C platform, but so far have not received any orders. So unless you have specific information, it's a bit silly to link the Dornier purchase to the P-3C's, don't you think?
 
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More info about the latest Purchases.

The Sea Harriers are being Upgraded with Israeli Avionics and Air to Air missiles.

Info on Missile Propellant Plant and 9 additional ships for the Navy.Also there are reports that the Dorniers are for the Coast Guard and P 3 Orions are still on the shopping list of the Indian Navy.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=2004
 
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the dorniers are do228(60 of which are in use with navy,airforce,coastguard) they are small aircrafts which are used for light transport ,maritime reconaissance and search and rescue(indian dorniers are now being fitted with the israeli elm-2032 radar for mr role.they are completely different from the asw/asuw aircraft india is looking for(india is already negotiating for the orions),france has offered india the latest variant of atlantics with full tot and the falcon900(for coast guard),other participants are casa(cn235m) and the french atr45/75.9the order is expected to be for 30 aircrafts ultimately).india in the meantime is planning to purchase 2 upgraded il38's for the navy as a temporary measure to replace the two lost in mid air collission over goa.:coffee
 
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instantexcess said:
I guess no Orions (pc-3s) for indians then .... seems like retalitation to the F-16 offer to Pakistan ... and if thats the case then i guess we can be certain that they wont be buying the supposedly 'offered' F-16s and F-18s
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The offer for F-16s and F-18s is just not " Supposed " any more . Its very much a confirmed one.Though i doubt the IAF is serious about it. It will create a Logistical nightmare for the IAF as they are already flying too many types of aircraft.I think they are requesting the RFP for F-16's just to create competition and get a Better Price Deal on either the Mirage-2000 or Mig-29.
It makes sense for the IAF to buy either the Mirage 2000 Mark 5's or the latest Mark 9's or the Mig 29 MK2 and MKI'ze it.
 
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IAF's sudden plan to aquire used Mirage-2000 of Qatar is signifies that IAF is now going to build up its fleet on Mirages not on US ACs & keeping my self on neutral possition I say that is much wiser move. Why go for new platform, new training & every thing new that comes with it. Why waist time & money. More Mirage-2000 as well as Mirage2000-5 will be a good platform.

vicky007 Mirage2000-9 is actualy coustomized version of Mirage2000-5 made for UAE. It is basicaly Mirage2000-5 but it suits the desert terrian & hot climate of UAE PS it carries coustomized weapons for UAE. So I dnt think IAF will be buying Mirage2000-9. But India can ask French to coustomize a version for them.

Remember UAE's coustomized version of Mirage2000-5 is Mirage2000-9 & Greek Mirage2000-5 coustomized version are called Mirage2000-5 Mark2 (not 5).

PAF on ther other hand was interested in Mirage2000-9 based on UAE Coutomization + Their own since the coutomized version suited PAF more than the usual Mirage2000 & mirage2000-5. It is still possible that PAF may buy Mirage2000-9 since its weapons will be easily available to Pakistan (no sale blocking danger from either France or UAE co-partner of some weapons....this is one reason IAF wont buy Mirage2000-9 since Pakistan can influence weapons' sale to India).

If IAF orders its own coustomized version, which I would say will probably carry Israeli weapon system than it would be called some thing else not Mirage2000-9 or Mark2.
 
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aaaditya said:
during the aeroindia show mbda offered india the meteor missile(is it any good).:coffee
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This is one liner, incomplete question.
Who offered India meteor missiles??
 
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Well UAE & France can offer Missiles to India ..,...but the problem is that India purchased them than if bad times start with Pakistan, Pakistan can influence the future sales through UAE. Y take risk,be one safe side.
 
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Well UAE & France can offer Missiles to India ..,...but the problem is that India purchased them than if bad times start with Pakistan, Pakistan can influence the future sales through UAE. Y take risk,be one safe side.
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I think you'll discover that India has a very good relationship with the UAE. eg, They currently train some of their Naval Officers and then there is the issue that surplus Mirages from that region are already tagged as Indian purchases.

I don't see that Pakistan has much political capital with the UAE based on their current military interactions with India. A common religion does only go so far as a negotiating or influence stick.
 
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I think you'll discover that India has a very good relationship with the UAE. eg, They currently train some of their Naval Officers and then there is the issue that surplus Mirages from that region are already tagged as Indian purchases.

I don't see that Pakistan has much political capital with the UAE based on their current military interactions with India. A common religion does only go so far as a negotiating or influence stick.
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NO offence inteded GF politically you Lack the knowledge depth to understand the relations between the Pakistanis and Some of these Arab nations UAE and saudi in particular. UAE Remains Neutral the Government there Walk a fine line (Mainly due to Indian FDI). which is well understood and Respected by India and Pakistan. Pakistani Armed forces have a deeper Penetration within the Two Country then compared to India. granted india is regional power. But relations are not always what they seem from Paper based Birds Eye View.

The Ameer of Dubai Calls Pakistan is Second Home he has Large Palace in Karachi near the water front. It not something allot of people would be aware off unless your from that region. However I would be interested to know how you came about the information regarding the UAE Excess Mirage 2000-9 marked as INdian. As far as i remember UAE has no need to remove these from Service. Oh buy the Way Arab nations Send a large Bulk of there Naval personnel to Pakistan too. to Train, there is a well known Agreement. They also Have Arab Naval personnel Presence onbord some Designated Naval Ships.

If you were referring to the Qatari Mirages, Then i've really got tell you that what applies to Qatar does not apply to the rest of Pakistans Ally in the Arab World. You can't treat all arab nations as one. they are Fragmented some have a very dissimilar view to each other. Saudi's still consider Qatar as a runaway province (Hence the Large American Presence which is welcome there) of the Saudi just like Iraq Considered Kuwait and a better part of the Arab Nations.
 
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