F/A-18F Super Hornet or SU-30MKM for malaysia

[pathfinder]

as known already...malaysian air force are waitng for delivery of 18 SU-30MKM mrca. the 1st batch delivery should be arrived early to mid 2006.

the government also seriously making consideration on making 2nd purchasing of another squadron of mrca aircraft. the problem now is either another batch of SU-30MKM or F/A-18 F Super Hornet.

from logistic and maintenance aspect...another batch of SU-30 would be better. but malaysian air force very interested with F/A-18F Super Hornet. Boeing also working hard lobbying the malaysian government by making plan to provide better spec of Super Hornet for RMAF. currently RMAF is flying 8 F/A-18D and it's reported the aircrafts performed very well...that's why RMAF cannot easily ignore the Super Hornet for next batch of mrca...plus the Boeing is offering great package.

the only problem with USA aircraft...the USA government tend to apply missiles&spare parts control. ...like what happened to Pakistan's F-16.

Mod edit: Path: Provide parameter for discussion the next time you start a thread. Are you trying to discuss Pakistani F-16 deal or Malaysian Su-30?

 

[dreamwarrior73]

definitely ... it will be the Super Hornet. Malaysian Government will placed an order for the Super Hornet to fulfill the 2nd MRCA squadron. this has been said by the Air Force Chief and Defence Minister.

Malaysia Government policy has always been to diversify the source.

remember the MiG-29/Hornet split-buy in 1993. this will be true again this time around.

further, Malaysian Government would probably trade-in their Hornets.

 

[Crusader2000]

definitely ... it will be the Super Hornet. Malaysian Government will placed an order for the Super Hornet to fulfill the 2nd MRCA squadron. this has been said by the Air Force Chief and Defence Minister.

Malaysia Government policy has always been to diversify the source.

remember the MiG-29/Hornet split-buy in 1993. this will be true again this time around.

further, Malaysian Government would probably trade-in their Hornets.

Sounds reasonable...........beside Boeing would be glad to take the 8 F/A-18D's back as a trade-in on Super Hornets. Its my understanding that several countries are looking for second-hand twin seat F/A-18 Hornets. If, Malaysia does place a order for Super Hornets. I wonder how many she will ask for????

 

[rossfrb_1]

I would wonder whether anyone other than the US would seriously be considering the Hornet F-18 E/F. Below is a link to the most recent info I could quickly find on the aircraft (also the least scathing)
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f18ef/

Now, from what I have previously read about this aircraft, I am not entirely sure that all the problems HAVE been fixed (notably wing/pylon/stores drag issue?).
Logistically I don't know how the E/F would fit in with the C/D parts supply chain, it is a different beast. But a trade in of the C/Ds would make that a mute point. On the upside the APG-79 aesa radar is becoming available - whether the yanks would sell it to Malaysia I don't know.
cheers
rb

 

[Crusader2000]

I would wonder whether anyone other than the US would seriously be considering the Hornet F-18 E/F. Below is a link to the most recent info I could quickly find on the aircraft (also the least scathing)
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f18ef/

Now, from what I have previously read about this aircraft, I am not entirely sure that all the problems HAVE been fixed (notably wing/pylon/stores drag issue?).
Logistically I don't know how the E/F would fit in with the C/D parts supply chain, it is a different beast. But a trade in of the C/Ds would make that a mute point. On the upside the APG-79 aesa radar is becoming available - whether the yanks would sell it to Malaysia I don't know.
cheers
rb

Really, Malaysia may be the only export hope for the Super Hornet and that would be a very small order at that. Boeing's own F-15E is a superior Strike Fighter! So, why buy the "Naval" Super Hornet?:smash

 

[dreamwarrior73]

Sounds reasonable...........beside Boeing would be glad to take the 8 F/A-18D's back as a trade-in on Super Hornets. Its my understanding that several countries are looking for second-hand twin seat F/A-18 Hornets. If, Malaysia does place a order for Super Hornets. I wonder how many she will ask for????

this time around, they will get a squadron of 18 aircraft. they learned from their mistake of buying of only 8 aircraft, which has no economy of scale.

 

[dreamwarrior73]

Really, Malaysia may be the only export hope for the Super Hornet and that would be a very small order at that. Boeing's own F-15E is a superior Strike Fighter! So, why buy the "Naval" Super Hornet?:smash

maybe. maybe not. Kuwait might also be another export potential. so are couple of existing Hornet users.

Thailand was in the verge of getting couple Hornets back then before they were hit by the Asian economy crisis. they had paid the downpayment already. luckily they got back their money.

as for Malaysia being the ONLY Super Hornet export potential. i guessed they were happy with their Hornets and now they wanted upgrade in terms of Super Hornet. what more can i say?

 

[Crusader2000]

maybe. maybe not. Kuwait might also be another export potential. so are couple of existing Hornet users.

Thailand was in the verge of getting couple Hornets back then before they were hit by the Asian economy crisis. they had paid the downpayment already. luckily they got back their money.

as for Malaysia being the ONLY Super Hornet export potential. i guessed they were happy with their Hornets and now they wanted upgrade in terms of Super Hornet. what more can i say?

Well, time will tell? The original Hornet was widely successful no doubt. Yet, it doesn't appear the Super Horent will have nearly the success as its little brother.

 

[Aussie Digger]

Super Hornets may become far more palatable, if the JSF continues it's less than stellar success so far. If the F-35A's are canned, many airforces could be looking for an alternative. Super Hornets, being 1/2 a generation ahead of most fighters, would then become interesting to many customers. Super Hornets, (SH) have a greater multirole capability than F-15E Strike Eagles (SE).

The SH's are a true multirole A2A and A2G fighter (also true of SE), however SH's are capable of acting as tankers, SEAD platforms, possess an inherently strong maritime strike capability (which SE's don't) SH's also will soon be capable of being obtained in EW/EA versions with the F/A-18G Growler versions and SH's possess strong Tac/Recce capabilities. In fact the SH's possess nearly all of the capabilities of the F-35 JSF (apart from the level of stealth). SH's are also more stealthy than any other dedicated stealth aircraft too.

A good bird in MY view...

 

[Crusader2000]

The F-35 JSF development is going along just fine. As a matter of fact much better then many famous fighters of the past. (i.e. Tomcat, F-111, F-16, etc.) The Super Hornet on the other hand would have a hard time against contemporaries like the Typhoon, Rafale, and Su-30's! Really, no contest!:smash

 

[pathfinder]

my preferrence also for Super Hornet. as for amount of purchasing..i think it will be 18. to balance with 18 SU-30MKM.

i think the RMAF choose Super Hornet bcos of sea attack capability. the Super Hornet would be more for ground attack and sea attack. same to task as given to RMAF BAe Hawk. as for SU-30MKM...they are purely for air superiority along with existing MiG-29.Moscow is less hassle in giving green light for RMAF needs of long range /BVR missiles. as for existing hornet, it took long time to negotiate for AMRAAM.i dont know whether RMAF is already supplied with AMRAAM or not.

 

[wzhtg]

Nope, the RMAF doesn't have that yet. If we have that. the whole region would be like making a huge amount of noise over it. Just talking about getting R-77 the other countries already make a big fuss over it

 

[pathfinder]

yup.that's why RMAF tend to choose Russian made fighters...less hassle to get the missiles. no point of having super hornet if the missiles procurement is being controlled heavily.

from some point...it's better for RMAF to add another 18 SU30MKM.

 

[Paxter]

Nope, the RMAF doesn't have that yet. If we have that. the whole region would be like making a huge amount of noise over it. Just talking about getting R-77 the other countries already make a big fuss over it

yes they do have those missiles in many pics of malaysian MIG 29N pics you can see a R-77 adder missiles on the pylon...

 

[Paxter]

also The purchase of Super hornets is a good idea malaysia is split to two one side of malaysia is on the west and the other is in borneo which is across the south china sea... an attack by an agressor will most likely come from the sea unless thailand or singapore is the agressor which i doubt will ever happend. so those super hornets will come in very very handy to my understanding MIGS 29s and SU-30s are tooled up for air to air so i dont think we need a 3rd batch of air to air superiority fighters...

 

[aaaditya]

also The purchase of Super hornets is a good idea malaysia is split to two one side of malaysia is on the west and the other is in borneo which is across the south china sea... an attack by an agressor will most likely come from the sea unless thailand or singapore is the agressor which i doubt will ever happend. so those super hornets will come in very very handy to my understanding MIGS 29s and SU-30s are tooled up for air to air so i dont think we need a 3rd batch of air to air superiority fighters...

the mig29 as well as the su-30 are both capable of maritime strike,i believe the su-30 would be a better option since it has a longer combat radius than the f-18's.

 

[Paxter]

OH btw... every 4 years (correct me if i am mistaken about the years) malaysia rotates who is the head of the combined armed forces and this time around is a navy dude... so that explains the 8++ meko100 ships, 3 subs, and now if approve F/A-18F... malaysians love rotations we rotate our kings, our roads, and our armed forces chiefs

 

[Pursuit Curve]

Super Hornets may become far more palatable, if the JSF continues it's less than stellar success so far. If the F-35A's are canned, many airforces could be looking for an alternative. Super Hornets, being 1/2 a generation ahead of most fighters, would then become interesting to many customers. Super Hornets, (SH) have a greater multirole capability than F-15E Strike Eagles (SE).

The SH's are a true multirole A2A and A2G fighter (also true of SE), however SH's are capable of acting as tankers, SEAD platforms, possess an inherently strong maritime strike capability (which SE's don't) SH's also will soon be capable of being obtained in EW/EA versions with the F/A-18G Growler versions and SH's possess strong Tac/Recce capabilities. In fact the SH's possess nearly all of the capabilities of the F-35 JSF (apart from the level of stealth). SH's are also more stealthy than any other dedicated stealth aircraft too.

A good bird in MY view...

Aussie, keeping in mind the point you raised regarding the probable demise of the F35, would you also see the SH as a Australian follow on to the RAAF F18?

The point you raise also brings to question the future RN Carriers, as I understand it the Carrier is being built with the F35 in mind.

But back to the initial question, Malaysia should in my opinion stick with the Superhornet, Russia can also play the parts game as well with no delivery because of political or economic hardship in Russia.

 

[pathfinder]

i think RMAF copy the India SU30MKI specs....except the software/tools sourced from Israel.

maybe RMAF can source some parts & weapons from India stock if there any mutual agreement

 

[aaaditya]

i think RMAF copy the India SU30MKI specs....except the software/tools sourced from Israel.

maybe RMAF can source some parts & weapons from India stock if there any mutual agreement

the israeli avionics are to be replaced by french ones on the su30mkm,with india to provide the training and spare parts assistance.