Exercise Himalayan Warrior, UK & India

srev2004

New Member
Two city Royal Marines were hospitalised for five days with altitude sickness during the first British land forces exercises to be held in northern India for 60 years.The marines from Bickleigh-based 42 Commando were treated and later flown back to the UK after coughing up blood and experiencing extreme shortness of breath during the hazardous mountain and cold-weather exercises in the Himalayas. Training at a height of up to 18,300ft, the marines of 42 Cdo's M Company have since made a full recovery.
A report into the exercises states that all 112 members of the party experienced symptoms such as shortness of breath on exertion, headaches, difficulty sleeping, reduced appetite and dehydration.

It also states that altitude sickness - including high-altitude pulmonary oedema, which put the two men in hospital, and acute mountain sickness - had been expected.



"In summary, only four men were unable to participate in the final exercise," the report states.

"This is considered to be an excellent result reflecting careful acclimatisation and expeditious treatment of cases of mountain sickness.

"The exercise proved an excellent learning experience for medical and non-medical staff in the prevention and management of altitude related illnesses."

Exercise Himalayan Warrior was the first opportunity for M Company to work together as a formation since returning from operations in Afghanistan.

Trekking and climbing across the snow-covered picturesque Himalayan mountains, the marines made history by becoming the first British land forces to train in Northern India since 1947.

Working alongside the Indian Army, the marines carried out various mountain and cold- weather exercises including high-altitude training, ice drills and cliff-top assaults.

The culmination of the exercise saw 'M' Company and the Indian Paratroopers combine to attack two mock enemy positions, with the main assault combining a cliff assault and a conventional attack.

Major Martin Collin, in charge of M Company, said: "As soon as we landed and departed the aircraft I began to feel light-headed and dizzy, which progressed to a strong headache later in the day.

"I've conducted mountain training around the world, never at this altitude, but nothing can prepare you for the feeling you get here.

"Thankfully, all my symptoms stopped as we moved through the acclimatisation package, although I still suffered from shortness of breath and being exhausted during physical exertion: no change there, then!"

Maj Collin said the exercises were an invaluable opportunity for 42 Commando to enhance its knowledge and experience of operating at high altitude.

Major Sandeep of the Indian Paratroopers also described the training as being hugely successful.

"The lessons learned by all parties were exceptional and I can only hope that this is the start of a lasting relationship between the Royal Marines and our paratroopers," he added.

On its return from India, M Company will continue to prepare for deployment to Norway in the early part of next year.

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su-30mki

Banned Member
THIS IS TRUELY AMAZING. The Brits live in cold weather and yet they were not able to handle the himalayas and the indian inspite of the tropical kind of climate continue to man these mountains and are battle ready in this climate truely proves more than a point.
 

riksavage

Banned Member
What point?

Altitude sickness impacts people in different ways, depending on size and body mass, some acclimatize faster than others!

Are you trying to say the Indian military are immune to altitude sickness?
 

aaaditya

New Member
What point?

Altitude sickness impacts people in different ways, depending on size and body mass, some acclimatize faster than others!

Are you trying to say the Indian military are immune to altitude sickness?
indians are not immune to altitude sickness ,but have learnt to cope well with it,they have developed various technologies to improve the comfort levels of the troops deployed at high altitude .the experience of the indian army soldiers in high altitude warfare has enabled them to develop a comprehensive curriculum for high altitude warfare training.
 

RubiconNZ

The Wanderer
What point?

Altitude sickness impacts people in different ways, depending on size and body mass, some acclimatize faster than others!

Are you trying to say the Indian military are immune to altitude sickness?
He didn't mention Altitude sickness at all which means he missed greater the reason for the the Indian troops success rather than temperature acclimatisation.
 

su-30mki

Banned Member
What point?

Altitude sickness impacts people in different ways, depending on size and body mass, some acclimatize faster than others!

Are you trying to say the Indian military are immune to altitude sickness?
What i was trying to say is that majority of the Indian troops who are stationed at the himalayas are from tropical and sub-tropical climatic regions, and the majority of the english troops are from the clod climatic regions. The Indians did an have an upper hand in some desert warfare exersice but beat them in snow warfare, which is supposed to be their own game.This shows the level of professionalism in the Indian army and their ability of not only a desert warfare, but also mountain\snow warfare.
 

su-30mki

Banned Member
What point?

Altitude sickness impacts people in different ways, depending on size and body mass, some acclimatize faster than others!

Are you trying to say the Indian military are immune to altitude sickness?
What i was trying to say is that majority of the Indian troops who are stationed at the himalayas are from tropical and sub-tropical climatic regions, and the majority of the english troops are from the cold climatic regions. The Indians did not have an upper hand in some desert warfare exersice but beat them in snow warfare, which is supposed to be their own game.This shows the level of professionalism in the Indian army and their ability of not only a desert warfare, but also mountain\snow warfare.
 

riksavage

Banned Member
Sorry su-30mki, I still don't get your point. Please define how the indian's beat the RM guy's. Were you part of the exercise as a military umpire per-chance? Or is this one of your 'mines bigger than yours' observations!

From what I understand this was a simple joint exercise to introduce the two units tactics and share lessons learned (Maj Colin and his troop having just returned form Sangin).

The RM are keen to train in the region again in preparation for their next tour of Afghanistan.
 

srev2004

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Sorry su-30mki, I still don't get your point. Please define how the indian's beat the RM guy's. Were you part of the exercise as a military umpire per-chance? Or is this one of your 'mines bigger than yours' observations!

From what I understand this was a simple joint exercise to introduce the two units tactics and share lessons learned (Maj Colin and his troop having just returned form Sangin).

The RM are keen to train in the region again in preparation for their next tour of Afghanistan.
India has stationed whole battalions up in the Siachen Glacier. Out of all the people in the exercise only 2 RM were able to cope. The rest had to bail out.
 

riksavage

Banned Member
Absolute rubbish. I know the RM major who commanded the trip, and received a debrief on his return over a beer. Provide the evidence of your statement. Were you there, did you take part?
 

Hindi_Henry

New Member
Altitude sickness

Hello

I am new to this forum and really just joined because I am interested in these joint exercises.
I was born in and live in the UK and I am Punjabi.

Are there anymore photos about ?
Most of the ones on the Royal Marines website are dead links.

Su-30mki, I am curious why are you trying to score points ?
AMS has nothing to do with whether you are from the tropics or a cold climate like the UK, it is related to altitude.
Even if you take someone from the tropics and the cold UK and fail to acclimatise them properly then AMS will result.

srev2004,

your comment
"Out of all the people in the exercise only 2 RM were able to cope. The rest had to bail out."
Obviously shows that you have not read the article correctly.
It clearly states
"Two city Royal Marines were hospitalised for five days with altitude sickness"
And
"A report into the exercises states that all 112 members of the party experienced symptoms such as shortness of breath on exertion, headaches, difficulty sleeping, reduced appetite and dehydration."
Nowhere does it state
"Out of all the people in the exercise only 2 RM were able to cope. The rest had to bail out."

Please less of this point scoring.

Riksavage,
I am interested, what was your friend the RM Majors opinion and experience of the Indian troops and Ladakh, infact the entire show ?
He may be an illustrious Royal Marine Major with combat experience, but did he suffer "Gandhis Revenge" also know as "Delhi Belly" ??

Also photos please, surley there must be lots floating about.

Regards
 

Rossiman

Banned Member
THIS IS TRUELY AMAZING. The Brits live in cold weather and yet they were not able to handle the himalayas and the indian inspite of the tropical kind of climate continue to man these mountains and are battle ready in this climate truely proves more than a point.
You sir, are smoking your lunch...
 

riksavage

Banned Member
Hindi_Henri - According to my colleague the experience was a memorable one and proved an excellent post-operational training opportunity (following the Company’s time in Sangin). I think it will mark the beginning of similar exchanges in the future.

Surprisingly I think the majority of attendees didn’t come down with the dreaded Delhi-Belly! This amazes me because I somehow always succumb to the beast when I visit the sub-continent.
 

Hindi_Henry

New Member
Rik,
I think you are right there will definatly be more of these sort of exercises.
My cousin serves with the Sikh Light Infantry and they recently had a deployment with the US Marines on board one of their large assault ships.
In a way it is an entirley natural development, Pakistan, the oil producing regions of the mid east and the entire east african region are very unstable.
If things were to go pear shaped and a large amount of man power, heavy lift capacity, naval power and just good old "duffing up" potential was needed then it is a strong probability that Indian/UK/US forces would have to work together.
Most of the press statements by the military on these joint exercises do emphasise the "interoperability" aspect.

Regards

HH
 

riksavage

Banned Member
I believe training between India and the UK will increase with more and more exchanges involving small platoon / company size units instead of just single individuals on long-look exchanges, or attending staff colleges.

The Indian sub-continent offers training opportunities not currently available in areas such as Germany, Poland, Norway and Canada where the UK sends troops to conduct regular exercises. There are areas of India geographically very similar to Afghanistan, which offers truly realistic training prior to an operational tour. The fact that the Indian officer classes are highly educated, speak English and follow a similar Regimental system can only bring further advantages to any joint training programs.
 

Rossiman

Banned Member
Why are you replying to a banned member?
Unhappy your post count is low?
Not to mention one liners are against Forum Rules
I didn't even notice he was banned. Also i don't care about my post count, i am new to this forum. But have been around on other forums for years. One liners sometimes do the job.
 

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I didn't even notice he was banned. Also i don't care about my post count, i am new to this forum. But have been around on other forums for years. One liners sometimes do the job.
All you've been posting is one liners and I have been deleting them, one liners will not do the job here because sometime in near future my deleting power will run out and banning power will kick in.:rolleyes:

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Hindi_Henry

New Member
Photos and Press reports

RikSavage,

I have been searching all over the place for pictures and UK mainstream media coverage, there is very little.
Does your colleague have any pictues they could post ?
Do you possibly know why there has been such little coverage ?
Do both India and Britain want minimal coverage.
Even the Arrse site has nothing.
There are a few pictures on the RM website, but nothing much.

Regards

HH

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