Does somebody know how Canadians will replace the Iroquois DDG ?

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The obsolescent Iroquois DDGs are approaching the end of their useful lives, and despite the 32 VLS SM-2 they lack AEGIS-type radars.
Will they modify some Halifax FFGs ? Will new construction DDGs materialize ?

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No one knows, least of all the RCN. We have to wait till the 06' Maritime Security Conference gets over in late June.
 
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AFAIK no one yet knows.
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I've just read on the "general military" thread that the new Canadian government has apparently made the pledge to build 4 new destroyers. I wonder if anybody has any additional details on this ?

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contedicavour said:
I've just read on the "general military" thread that the new Canadian government has apparently made the pledge to build 4 new destroyers. I wonder if anybody has any additional details on this ?

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Twas' an election promise- But really, EVERYTHING in the Canadian military has to be replaced- we are to the point now that alot of capabilities are going to whither away, and the only thing that will save the CF would be a long term procurement plan worth tens of billions of dollars- similiar to what Australia articulated, and that will not happen in a country dominated by UN peacekeeping loving socialist parties.
 
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A version of the Halifax class ship, fitted out like the Dutch LCF and the German F124?
 
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A version of the Halifax class ship, fitted out like the Dutch LCF and the German F124?
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Good idea. The Canadian DDGs would anyway be using 32-cell VLS for ESSM and SM-2 III or even SM-2 IV. Using APAR technology for aegis-type radar would be appropriate.
I hope however that - if funds can be found - the Canadian Navy will seriously consider all available options on the international market before making its choice. The Horizon or T45 programmes do allow for ESSMs in the A43 and A50 VLS launchers, and the Aster 30s + EMPAR or SAMPSON system is more than a serious alternative to SM-2 + APAR, especially if industrial offsets can be found for Canada.

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"Wasn't Canada originally participating in the development of the APAR? Whatever happened to that?"

Yes.

Funding and politics.

Also they apparently decided fitting it to the Halifax class wasnt a particularly cost-effective option.

They really want new builds but again "funding and politics" take center stage.
 
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"Wasn't Canada originally participating in the development of the APAR? Whatever happened to that?"

Yes.

Funding and politics.

Also they apparently decided fitting it to the Halifax class wasnt a particularly cost-effective option.

They really want new builds but again "funding and politics" take center stage.
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The new Tory government will sure have a lot of decisions to make on the armed forces. Given the mess with the ex-RN Upholder SSKs, I would rather sell them since it seems impossible to get them decently operational, then sell 2 or 3 of the Halifax, and use the money to fund a new-build extended Halifax ship with S1850 long-range radar, EMPAR or SAMPSON, and A50 VLS cells for SCALP naval cruise missiles (cheaper than Tomahawk and no need to receive the go-ahead from the US Congress :p: ) and Asters.
AFAIK Canada has pre-batch III (or at best the SM-2 III) versions of the SM-2 standard missile and VLS Sea Sparrow, not the ESSM. So it would still be feasible to opt for the European system EMPAR/A50/Aster/SCALP.

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contedicavour said:
Given the mess with the ex-RN Upholder SSKs, I would rather sell them since it seems impossible to get them decently operational, then sell 2 or 3 of the Halifax, and use the money to fund a new-build extended Halifax ship with S1850 long-range radar, EMPAR or SAMPSON, and A50 VLS cells for SCALP naval cruise missiles (cheaper than Tomahawk and no need to receive the go-ahead from the US Congress :p: ) and Asters.
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I reckon the Canadians would be nuts to sacrifice their Submarine capability. I don't imagine the silent service is an easy one to reconstitute given the complexity of the boats and the training required to keep folks sharp. As far as I am aware, only one Upholder class boat is not operational.
 
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I reckon the Canadians would be nuts to sacrifice their Submarine capability. I don't imagine the silent service is an easy one to reconstitute given the complexity of the boats and the training required to keep folks sharp. As far as I am aware, only one Upholder class boat is not operational.
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Indeed the Chicoutimi is out of service and won't be back for a long while since funds have been cut (I've read this on Jane's internet site). The other 3 are still however not fully operational. A SSK fleet of 3 doesn't seem viable, as I wrote on the SSK thread. Especially for a country facing 2 Oceans.
Making a brave choice as the Danes did may be the best choice.

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