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Croatian Air Force to procure 12 x second hand Rafale fighters
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John Fedup
The Bunker Group
I would think Finland is, like India was, a tougher sale. As for Qatar, with all their recent aviation acquisitions, show them your product has wings and they will buy it.
I think Qatar is trying to make sure it can't easily be embargoed.
Is it? The French certainly would like to think so and have everyone believe that. The Swedes have offered an enticing deal WRT Gripen E and the Finns will be seriously considering that. Like the Typhoon the Rafale is expensive to acquire and operate, and the Finns don't have an endless money pit like Qatar. TheFinns won't be the push over sale that some think they will be.
Definitely Swerve. It's one lesson that they won't forget in a long time.
F-35 is the front runner for Finnish Air Force, but local nerds are pretty high on Rafale and it's generally seen superior to Super Hornet or two other Eurodeltas. Whether this perception has any relation to reality, well...
Rafale might be a front runner for the Swiss, though.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
IMHO a F-35 decision by Finland should make it extremely difficult for Canada to do other wise.
And I believe we can add 36 frames for Indonesia.
www.thedrive.com
they’re having a bit of a spend up, which also includes 6 FREMM from Italy.
www.defensenews.com
France Confirms That Indonesia Wants To Buy Rafale Fighter Jets
The country has been seeking a new combat aircraft, with France’s Dassault Rafale the latest in a line of candidates.
www.thedrive.com
they’re having a bit of a spend up, which also includes 6 FREMM from Italy.
Indonesia orders six FREMM frigates from Fincantieri
The contract takes Fincantieri’s confirmed sales of the ship to 20.
www.defensenews.com
Don't think that it has been confirmed by Indonesia yet. Suggest that you read the Indonesian Aero Thread and follow what @Ananda has to say.And I believe we can add 36 frames for Indonesia.
France Confirms That Indonesia Wants To Buy Rafale Fighter Jets
The country has been seeking a new combat aircraft, with France’s Dassault Rafale the latest in a line of candidates.
they’re having a bit of a spend up, which also includes 6 FREMM from Italy.
Indonesia orders six FREMM frigates from Fincantieri
The contract takes Fincantieri’s confirmed sales of the ship to 20.
Edit: This post and this post by Ananda explain the situation, especially the first one which explains Indonesian government procurement practices.
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Ananda
The Bunker Group
Correction: The budget still Euro 1 Bio, silly me on reading to fast.
Asside Greece with combo new and second hand ones and Croatia with second hand (but seems with refurbished contract), perhaps it's also Frenchie effort to keep the production line open. Those second hand Rafale will come from French AF inventory, thus need replacement.
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Sandhi Yudha
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With this acquisition, the Croation air force will get the most advanced jetfighter from all former Yugoslav countries. Are the Serbian MiG-29s already upgraded to SMT-level?
I thought Serbia already ordered the Pantsir and chinese FK-3. How serious are these talks about the S-400? Other sources talk about negotiations about the S-300.
|"He didn't elaborate, but there has for years been talk of Russia supplying Serbia with the S-400 surface-to-air missile system, bringing the sophisticated rockets even closer to bordering NATO-member states."|
I thought Serbia already ordered the Pantsir and chinese FK-3. How serious are these talks about the S-400? Other sources talk about negotiations about the S-300.
Masquerader
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To give an update, the Rafale entered service with the Croatian Air Force in April of this year:
www.dassault-aviation.com
theaviationist.com
The Rafale's entry into service with the Croatian Air Force makes the Rafale the first jet fighter built by a NATO member state to be delivered to a constituent country within the former Yugoslavia since sales of the F-86 to the Yugoslav Air Force in the 1950s, and Croatia's retirement of the MiG-21 means that the MiG-21 is no longer in service with any of the air forces of Slavic Europe.
The Rafale enters service in the Croatian Air Force - Press kits
The first six Rafale operated by the Croatian Air Force were welcomed at the Zagreb operational base by the President of the Republic. © Dassault Aviation - N. Bakhos
www.dassault-aviation.com
Croatian Air Force Bids Farewell To The Iconic MiG-21, Welcomes The Rafale
Last weekend, the Croatian Air Force organized an airshow at Zagreb airport to celebrate the retirement of the MiG-21 Fishbed and the arrival of its
theaviationist.com
The Rafale's entry into service with the Croatian Air Force makes the Rafale the first jet fighter built by a NATO member state to be delivered to a constituent country within the former Yugoslavia since sales of the F-86 to the Yugoslav Air Force in the 1950s, and Croatia's retirement of the MiG-21 means that the MiG-21 is no longer in service with any of the air forces of Slavic Europe.
SolarisKenzo
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Croatian order is also important for their country role and integrations within the EU and NATO for many reasons:
- Its the only former jugoslavian nation with modern jets (considering Serbia will very likely scrap their decades-old Mig-29s for Rafale too)
- Slovenia do not have a combat air force (their airspace is under italian control since 2004), Albania do not have a combat air force (under italian-greek control since 2009) and Bosnia do not have one too, making Croatia central in the former jugoslavian military enviroment.
Their Rafale deal will also likely be very useful to Italy in the control of slovenian air space.
- Its the only former jugoslavian nation with modern jets (considering Serbia will very likely scrap their decades-old Mig-29s for Rafale too)
- Slovenia do not have a combat air force (their airspace is under italian control since 2004), Albania do not have a combat air force (under italian-greek control since 2009) and Bosnia do not have one too, making Croatia central in the former jugoslavian military enviroment.
Their Rafale deal will also likely be very useful to Italy in the control of slovenian air space.