Cool Video of SU-35

sikder

Banned Member
Nice video.
Is this the one that Russia and India are building as the 5th generation aircraft or is it Su-37 or is it(the 5th generation aircraft) completely out of sukhoi series?

Any information on this would be great.
 

neel24neo

New Member
redsoulja,AFAIK su-35&37 are the latest members of the su-27 family and are not just technology demonstrators.but you are right about the fifth generation fighter though,su-35 is not quite fifth generation. PAK-FA is going to be that.
 

tatra

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Superb flying machine, no doubt about it. Still, its value and effectiveness in combat will depend as much on whether the Russian get the electronics and weapon systems right as on the inherent capability of the airframe.
 

ajay_ijn

New Member
This video is great, excellent moves, oh yeah and nice sound track

btw, file is 12mb and last for 6 and half minutes - worth it!!!
:smokingc: :smokingc: :flash

It would exciting if we had a video similarly for Su-30MKI.

by seeing this video now i am thinking why didn't india buy Su-35.
 

gf0012-aust

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ajay_ijn said:
by seeing this video now i am thinking why didn't india buy Su-35.
probably because aircraft are purchased based on combat requirements and not on air show appeal... ;)
 

Pathfinder-X

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gf0012-aust said:
probably because aircraft are purchased based on combat requirements and not on air show appeal... ;)
Oh Gary you are making a huge mistake!! Su-35 have very good combat abilities. Haven't you seen the ejection seat in action? :D:
 

gf0012-aust

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Pathfinder-X said:
Oh Gary you are making a huge mistake!! Su-35 have very good combat abilities. Haven't you seen the ejection seat in action? :D:
Yeah mate I have! I've also seen it do an excellent impersonation of a plough when it dug into the ground and tried to transform into a tractor.. ;)
 

Pathfinder-X

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Say....Russia does claim that the Su-35 have performance similar to F-15K in terms of avionics and weapons carried. Even beats F-15K hands down in term of manoevurability. It has been fitted with Al-34F thrust vector engines that makes it an extremely dangerous opponent in a dogfight which I agree with.

The radar, allows the detection of aerial targets at a range up to 400 kilometers, and ground targets at a distance up to 200 kilometers, the simultaneous tracking of up to 15 aerial targets and attacking not fewer than 6 simultaneously with missiles. The improved "Zuk" ("Scarab") radar features a mobile (+/- 130 degree) antenna which can follow position of 24 targets with ability to fire to 8 of them.
From the data from Globalsecurity.org it does seem like a formidable enemy in combat. I heard the reason it lost the South Korea airforce contract for next generation jet is because corrupt government officials in Korea favoured the Boeing.
 

gf0012-aust

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Pathfinder-X said:
Say....Russia does claim that the Su-35 have performance similar to F-15K in terms of avionics and weapons carried. Even beats F-15K hands down in term of manoevurability. It has been fitted with Al-34F thrust vector engines that makes it an extremely dangerous opponent in a dogfight which I agree with. ....... From the data from Globalsecurity.org it does seem like a formidable enemy in combat. I heard the reason it lost the South Korea airforce contract for next generation jet is because corrupt government officials in Korea favoured the Boeing.
I'd probably think that the decision was more idealogical than normal. BUT, the Su's have an appalling maintenance history. They are typically 4 times higher in engine service costs and availability.

That might not matter in peacetime flying, but it does matter when you go high tempo sorties and need maximum platform availability.

There may well be a degree of truth re corruption issues, but I'd still say that in a wartime performance assessment, the F-15 would win.
 

Pathfinder-X

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gf0012-aust said:
I'd probably think that the decision was more idealogical than normal. BUT, the Su's have an appalling maintenance history. They are typically 4 times higher in engine service costs and availability.

That might not matter in peacetime flying, but it does matter when you go high tempo sorties and need maximum platform availability.

There may well be a degree of truth re corruption issues, but I'd still say that in a wartime performance assessment, the F-15 would win.
It's not just Suhoi, it's the whole Russian aviation industry that have a bad record of mainance after they sell their weapons. Probably one of the reason China ditched the Su-27SK.

But one thing always bugs me is that Russia systems are well known for their simplicity, why would it be harder to maintain than Western counterparts?
 

ajay_ijn

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What is the present status of Su-35 and Su-37.

I don't think RusAF has inducted this plane,they wanted the better Su-37.

Everywhere I read about Su-37,it is given that it is undergoing flight tests from 1999.

Still is it undergoing flight tests?
 

highsea

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Pathfinder-X said:
But one thing always bugs me is that Russia systems are well known for their simplicity, why would it be harder to maintain than Western counterparts?
Simplicity of design does not always translate into simplicity of maintenance or reliability of components.

An F-16 maintenance crew can remove and replace an engine in under one hour! This was deemed necesary because the engine type meant low hours between overhauls.

When Boeing switched over to CATIA, a simulated maintenance man was created, known as "CATIA Man". First used on the 777, CATIA man had to be able to perform every maintenance task on the AC. He had to be able to reach all the fasteners, fit into the spaces allowed, etc. before the design was approved. This allowed Boeing to test and refine all of the various maintenance and assembly procedures before the first forging ever hit the mill table.

This is just something we are very good at, and it translates into shorter down times, better planning wrt availability of spares and manpower, fewer AOG jobs, and a more efficient system of maintenance overall. This saves money because in the long run, fewer AC are needed to do the job; they are sitting on the flight line instead of in the depot.
 
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