Civil Military Relationship!

rakeeb

New Member
Good wishes to everyone.

I do live in Dhaka, Bangladesh.

I would like to know what should be the paradigm for 'Civil Military Relationship'.

Do you think a 'Democratic Control' of Defence and Intelligence Institutions necessary? If yes, how can that be achieved especially in developing countries!

I hope your expert opinion will help me [and others who are interested in this subject] in this regard.

Have a safe and happy time.
 

dragonfire

New Member
Well Dont take this as chest Thumping - however, Bangladesh can follow the Indian model of Politic-Civil-Military relationship. The reason why the Indian model can be adopted is beacuse Indian system is pro-democracy and that i believe is the future model of governance, however India does have a strong and capable millitary but because of the emphasis on democracy the system has been designed to prevent any millitary coups (India has not faced one yet and i believe tht it wouldnt happen either) as well.

The constitution of India states that the Supreme Commander of all armed forces in India is the President of India, however the armed forces work under the ministry of defense which is headed by the Defense Minister of India and goverened by Civil Service professionals, a role is also played by the National Security Advisor who is attached to the Prime Minister's Office and the primary external intelligence agency RAW reports into the Prime Minister

So the relationship in Place is broadly between three sets of ppl Millitary Professionals, Civil Service Professionals and the Leadership in governance however the supreme commander is the President whose role in itself is pretty much of a "rubber stamp" which prevents he/she also from taking over as such

This would work for Bangladesh ( i do believe however there are lot of similarities as such as Bangladesh is also a democracy ) as it shares regional parities with India as such
 

SABRE

Super Moderator
Verified Defense Pro
Good wishes to everyone.

I do live in Dhaka, Bangladesh.

I would like to know what should be the paradigm for 'Civil Military Relationship'.

Do you think a 'Democratic Control' of Defence and Intelligence Institutions necessary? If yes, how can that be achieved especially in developing countries!

I hope your expert opinion will help me [and others who are interested in this subject] in this regard.

Have a safe and happy time.

Hello Rakeeb;

Let me give you a bit of historical and theoretical input on your question. I'll try to make it as simple as possible.

Historical: The modern state system was established by Napoleon after the French Revolution. Even if some people disagree on Napoleon being the founder of modern state system we still have to give him a credit for bringing it into practice. The idea or the concept of modern state system is however older then Napoleon's era and its birth took place in Florance rather than France. The concept was introduced by Nicolai Machiavelli (though I believe Plato is very much at the basis of his work). It was Machiavelli's theories that inspired Napoleon. Anyways; Napoleon not only revolutionized the state system but also the military system. i.e. Abolished mercenaries and introduced standing army (as advised by Machiavelli).

Theoretical: The theoretical framework, which may answer your question, was done by many strategists and historians during and after Napoleonic Wars but only few are considered as master piece and the top two strategists on this are Jomini and Clausewitz. Karl Von Clausewitz however has payed more attention to Napoleonic "grand strategy." To cut the story short Clausewitz, in his book "On War" (called Bible of War), recognized three important elements in state system which play important role in Wars and he termed them as "trinity"

Trinity include:

i. The population (& its will)
ii. The political leadership
iii. The operational forces (armed forces)

to cut the story and chase further ... Clausewitz states that the Operational Forces must not disobey or do away (takeover/conduct a military coup/over through) the political leadership.

So theoretical answer to your question of whether 'Democratic Control' of Defence and Intelligence Institutions is necessary is "yes."

From what I understand from Clausewitz's logic was that military forces are not designed for political role and their involvement in it divert them away from their aims and objectives or/& expand their role (dual role) which is not suitable especially during war times (i.e. they would be blamed both on military and political level for the losses). The political leadership is usually backed by popular will and the same will has the right to remove it. If the military performs this job then it will effect the civil-military relations in the long run (this is almost true in all the cases where military has taken over the government).

Important thing to note here is that Clausewitz does not recognize Political Leadership as Democratic Government and he discourages military rule (that takes out dictatorship). Hence the political leadership is the one which is accepted by the people (other then military); it could be democratic, Monarchy etc ...

How can Democratic control of Intelligence Agencies and military be achieved in developing countries? Several developing countries have control over the both but behind the curtain reality is that military and int. agencies do have unspoken black mailing capability. In some cases, where a country has been democratic since its inception and has had a control over Int. Agencies and military, the military does away with some of the political leadership's statements and policies. Sometimes they do it publicly. Anyways to answer your question ... it all depends on the political leadership. The political leadership is not just the ruling government but also the opposition. The clash between the ruling and the opposition, the ruling and the ruled, the incapability of the ruling and deliberate barriers created by opposition (even if the ruling's policies are in favor of the state) create an anarchic situation in the state. And as one of my teachers once put it "where there is an anarchy [or political anarchy] there would/will be a military coup." Therefore, the political leadership in developing countries need to pay more attention to state building then on power struggle. The control of military and intelligence agencies is part of state building. Successful state building will lead to successful control over these institutions.
 

dragonfire

New Member
How can Democratic control of Intelligence Agencies and military be achieved in developing countries? Several developing countries have control over the both but behind the curtain reality is that military and int. agencies do have unspoken black mailing capability. In some cases, where a country has been democratic since its inception and has had a control over Int. Agencies and military, the military does away with some of the political leadership's statements and policies. Sometimes they do it publicly. Anyways to answer your question ... it all depends on the political leadership. The political leadership is not just the ruling government but also the opposition. The clash between the ruling and the opposition, the ruling and the ruled, the incapability of the ruling and deliberate barriers created by opposition (even if the ruling's policies are in favor of the state) create an anarchic situation in the state. And as one of my teachers once put it "where there is an anarchy [or political anarchy] there would/will be a military coup." Therefore, the political leadership in developing countries need to pay more attention to state building then on power struggle. The control of military and intelligence agencies is part of state building. Successful state building will lead to successful control over these institutions.
In case of India there was on instance of something like a coup but i am using tht for lack of a better word. The instance was the case where Indira Gandhi the then ruling Prime Minister got an Emergency declared and here a lot of journalistic/ politic freedom was removed. Not ony was she forced to end the emergency rule but also was removed from power by the people in the very next election - a resounding defeat to any such effort

While it is true tht Intelligence agencies and other agencies even when reporting into political leadership engage in other subvert activitites which amount to blackmailing and political espionage for eg the Intellugence Bureau (IB) of India is the primary domestic intelligence agency in India - it has been accused of spending more effort on sniffing out political maneuvers and developments on behalf of ruling parties

But it is a neccesary evil one has to undergo - Idea would be to have greater transparency and accountability otherwise one would face a situation like that of Pakistan where efforts of the political leadership to turn the onus of the ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) from the millitary to the democratic govt has some across extremely high and stiff resistance. The reason why ISI conrtol was felt to be needed was tht the ISI is accused of many activities which are pro-terrorist/ separatist etc against India and also is accused of harbouring international criminal figures like Dawood Ibrahim

Point here being tht any developing country needs to control the millitary and other agencies like intelligence/ R&D etc under political leadership control and governed through Civil service. This system does have its own disadvantages as well like corruption etc
 
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