Chinese ZTZ-99 MBT - More Details Revealed

badguy2000

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Details About Chinese 125mm Cannon for tanker

I’ve translated the post into English.
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高膛压火炮实际都存在炮膛烧蚀严重的问题,只是程度不同。我国的坦克炮的巨大威力决定了它的烧蚀问题很严重,说句不好听的,有点拿寿命换威力的意思。其实这也是没有办法的事情。我国的125实际发展了三代,目前装在99上的是第三代,其威力足以把这个星球上已经出现的和正在已知研制的坦克彻底打回老家,所以,我国并不急于把更大口径的家伙拿出来,但不是说没有。只是怕被人扣上“大规模杀伤性武器â€的帽子。呵呵。
In fact ,high-pressure cannon can’t avoid the serious ablation of its core completely,more or less. The terrible power of our (meaning Chinese) cannon is destined to cause a serious problem of ablation.frankly speaking, just enhance the power of cannon at expense of its lifespan. After all ,no other choice is available. We have developed three generations of 125 MM cannon and that fixed on ZTZ99 is the third one, the power of which can blow all kinds of tankers existing or under development on the earth into pieces. So, we(Chinese engineers) have no anxiety to show up more powerful cannon with bigger cailiber ,which we have grasped long ago. we do so just to avoid the accusation of “WMDâ€

以下纯粹是鄙人信口开河,大家随便看看了事。
The following is just my blow, don’t be too serious about it.


我国当年得到125样炮,也就是出口型2A46后的情况,我们当时想当然的认为2A46的威力比我们在研的120大,心存敬畏,没办法,被老毛子的装甲力量吓怕了。结果炮一响,眼镜掉了一地,这个东西根本就不是想象的那样。一分析,2A46的内外弹道性能都有问题,而且很多东西不是用出口型可以解释的。再加上性能低劣的出口型弹药,威力低是肯定的。这一炮打掉了中国人的畏惧。我国在2A46的基础上,对身管进行了一定的改进,威力就有不小的提高。这就是第一代125,但是没有装备部队。随后的进一步改进型号(其实这个时候的炮和2A46已经差别很大了),装备了部队,就是96上的炮。第三代就不说了,99的重锤就是它。这个时候的125已经和2A46没有什么关系了,其威力打T80个对穿都可以
when we(Chinese engineers) got the first 125MM cannon ,Russian model 2A46 for exportion , we certainly took it granted that it surely had more power than the 120MM cannon we wer developing because all were awe of Russian bear, frankly speaking ,frightened by its armor force. But when we fired the Russian cannon in its power-test, all were surprisedat its poor performce that was completely unexpected. After analysis, we (Chinese engineers) found that its poor performce cound’t be simplely artrubited to the fact that it was just a model for exportion, because there were some wrongs on its ballistic trajectory. In addition of inferior ammunition for exportion, Russian 2A46 cannon is really a gabage. So, the poor shot of Russian cannon in the test drove up all Chinese fear. On the basis of Russian 2A46 cannon, we made some betterment and mend on its “pipe†and improved its power by a considerable margin . That is the first generation of our 125 MM cannon for tanker but it has never been equipped with our troop. The following upgraded 125 MM cannon (which is quiet different from Russian one) enters into service and fixed on T96 MBT. The third generation of our 125MM cannon is the "big hammer" of ZTZ99 MBT, which has nothing to do with Russian 2A46 cannon and can easily break a hole through Russian T80 MBT from the face to the ass.

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tonbo

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Re: Details About Chinese 125mm Cannon for tanker reveald by an involved Chinese engineer

some rather informative bits frm an 'informed' source ... even if it felt like blogger-speak toward the end

the language needs some work tho... but the effort is much appreciated

i only hope it wasn't thru babelfish
 

badguy2000

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MORE DETAILS ABOUT CHINESE ZTZ99 MBT REVEALED
AN INTERVIEW FOR The VICE CHIEF ENGINEER OF CHINESE ZTZ99 MBT
The following is an interview between Mr. Wang Zherong ,the vice chief engineer of Chinese ZTZ99 MBT ,and a journalist. It revealed lots of messages about Chinese new ZTZ99 MBT.I have translated it into English.
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王哲荣 坦克设计专家,
我军新型主战坦克副总设计师,他先后主持两种新型坦克的研制工作并获得成功。曾荣获国防科技一等奖、兵器工业科技一等奖等多项奖励。2001年当选为中国工程院院士。
记者:请您谈谈ZTZ99式主战坦克的基本情况。
MR. Wang Zherong, tanker- designing expert .the vice general engineer of Chinese new ZTZ99 MBT and therefore is honored for member of Chinese National Academy of Engine in 2001. The following is a interview between MR. Wang (“W†for short) and a journalist(“J†for short).
记者:请您谈谈ZTZ99式主战坦克的基本情况。
J: could you please introduce some information about ZTZ99 MBT?
  王哲荣:由于涉及军事机密的原因,这个问题我不可能谈得太多。但有一点我可以很自豪地说,ZTZ99式主战坦克完全是由我们中国人自己研制出来的。就坦克的火力而言,125毫米高膛压滑膛坦克炮使用钨合金尾翼稳定脱壳穿甲弹时,可在2000米距离上击穿850毫米的均质装甲,而使用特种合金穿甲弹时,同距离穿甲能力达960毫米以上;就坦克防护水平而言,炮塔正面的防护达700毫米,车体防护能力相当于500~600毫米厚的均质钢装甲,如果在炮塔和车体上加装新型双防反应装甲后,抗装甲和破甲弹的能力可达1000~1200毫米;就坦克的火控系统而言,采用了国际上先进而流行的猎-歼式火控系统(也称双指挥仪式),其最显著的特点是,车长可以对火控系统进行超越(炮长的)控制,包括射击、跟踪目标和指示目标等;就坦克的动力系统而言,采用了883千瓦(1200马力)的涡轮增压中冷式大功率柴油机,最大公路时速达70公里/小时,0~32公里加速时间为12秒。ZTZ99式主战坦克的主要技术指标大致如上所述。
W: for the reason of military secret ,I can’t reveal it too further. But I can be proud to assert that ZTZ99 MBT is developed completely by Chinese ourselves. When it comes to power, 125MM smooth core cannon can hole through 850 mm ERA armor 2000 meter away with Tungstenic Armour-piercing Shell(TAS),and hole through over 960 mm EAR armor at same distance with a “special alloy armour-piecing shellâ€. When it comes to its armor, the armor in the frontispiece of its barbette is equal to 700 mm EAR armor and that in its side and rear is equal to 500-600 mm EAR. Of course ,if fixed with new additional armor, the standard can be improved to 1000-1200 mm EAR armor. When it comes to “Fire Control Systemâ€, the advanced system of “Auto Trail &Destroy†prevailing now is adopted, and the tanker commander can directly operate cannon independently without the help of the gunner . When it comes to propelling system,1200 HP diesel engine is adopted with a fastest speed of 70 KM/H on highroad, and 12 seconds are taken to accelerate from 0 KM/H to 32 KM/H. That is the main capability of ZTZ 99.
者:您能就ZTZ99式主战坦克与西方先进主战坦克相比较,作一总体评价吗?
J: could you please compare ZTZ99 MBT with advanced MBT of West countries.
  王哲荣:先说坦克火炮威力:美国M1A2主战坦克在2000米距离上的穿甲能力为810毫米,德国的豹2A6主战坦克约为900毫米,日本的90式主战坦克为650毫米,这一项技术指标无疑是我们居于领先地位;再来看另一项重要技术指标——防护能力:美国的M1A2车体和炮塔的装甲厚度相当于600毫米和700毫米的均质装甲,德国的豹2A6车体和炮塔的装甲厚度相当于580毫米和700毫米的均质装甲,日本的90式车体和炮塔的装甲厚度相当于500毫米和560毫米的均质装甲,由此看来,我们的ZTZ99主战坦克与西方坦克的防护水平基本上在同一层次上;再来看机动能力:西方国家工业基础雄厚,发动机水平高、动力传动系统的可靠性好,我们的坦克无论与M1A2、豹2A6或者90式相比,还有一定的差距。不过随着我国新一代大功率1103千瓦(1500马力)发动机的研制成功,这种差距将进一步缩小。
W: When it comes to power first, American M1A2 can hole through 810 mm ERA armor 2000 meter away, German leopard 2A6 equal to about 900mm EAR and Japanese T90’s barbette equal to 700mm EAR with a body equal to 580 mm EAR. So ,undoubtly , we hold the lead in the field.
Second, when it comes to its armor, the armor in the frontispiece of American M1A2’s barbette is equal to 700 mm EAR armor and that in its side and rear is equal to 600 mm EAR; the armor in the frontispiece of Japanese T90’s barbette is equal to 560 mm EAR armor and that in its side and rear is equal to 500 mm EAR; the armor in the frontispiece of German Leopard’s barbette is equal to 700 mm EAR armor and that in its side and rear is equal to 580 mm EAR. So, we run neck and neck with west countries in the field .
Finally, when it comes to maneuverability, the west countries has quite rich industrial experience and their engine is really rather good. The propelling system is also more reliable. A certain gap really exists in the field between our ZTZ99 MBT and M1A2,Leopard2A6 and T90. Of course, with our new 1500HP engine developed successfully, such a gap is being shortened further
  记者:王院士,如果ZTZ99式主战坦克如外界所猜测的那样,配备有炮射导弹系统(射程达5000米)和激光观瞄压制系统(最大作用距离4000米),可不可以说,我们坦克的火力在世界三代主战坦克中独占鳌头呢?
J: MR. Wang, if ZTZ99 is equipped with cannon-launched missile system (with a reach of 5 KM) and laser lock-resisting system.(with a reach of 4 KM) as supposed, could we assert that our ZTZ99 MBT is best one in the world?
王哲荣:就目前坦克火炮的威力而言,我们的水平肯定是最强的。但不可忽视的问题是,国外对坦克火炮的研究,不论是火炮的口径,还是弹药的穿透力,技术上进展得很快。就拿英国和德国来说,据说他们已研制开发了140毫米口径的坦克炮,一旦列装,其火力当刮目相看了。
W: Just when the power of current cannon is concerned, ours is the best. But the case we can’t neglect is that the other countries have made considerable progress in the research for the cannon for tanker , whether on its caliber or on the piercing capability of its shell. E.g., Britishers and German is reported to have developed a type of cannon for tanker with a caliber of 140 mm . If such a cannon enters into service, it will be fairly noteworthy!

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Gollevainen

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Re: Details About Chinese 125mm Cannon for tanker reveald by an involved Chinese engineer

This certainly cleared few things about the gun being based on the russian weapon. I once have had quite a flaming depate over it...and it seems that i was partially right...tough i never belived in totaly indegenious chinese gun...clad to be wrong about that one...:daz As this answered to many questions, it raised few new ones...eg. how much is the newest 125mm chinese gannon based on the first chinese 125mm gannon (which was apparently was a improved envolvment of the russian gun) and in what particular case it differences form the russian gun???
 

aaaditya

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what about the electro optical sensors of this battle tank,this is a very important parameter.how well do the sensors of this chinese battle tank perform as opposed to those on the abrahms or the leclerc or other modern western tanks?
 

aaaditya

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Re: Details About Chinese 125mm Cannon for tanker reveald by an involved Chinese engineer

what is the muzzle velocity of this chinese gun and it's life in terms of the number of rounds fired?
 
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crobato

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Re: Details About Chinese 125mm Cannon for tanker

The third generation is the gun first introduced on the T-98 (no change with the T-99), and you can see it is much longer than the 125mm originally came from the T-96 but later used on the T-85 and this is much more like the Russian gun.

This barrel is totally new, except for the autoloading carousel copied from the T-72. But the breechlock appears longer so it can be used with long penetrator sabots that won't fit on the Russian cannon.

I think the cannon is only semiautoloading, that the long penetrator sabots are not loaded from the carousel but stored from the turret bustle and manually loaded there. Other shells are loaded from the carousel.

In the eighties, PLA got really psyched about the T-80s the SU got in the northern Chinese borders and initiated the T-90 development as a counter to that tank. The T-90 never came into service but a variant led to the Al Khalid. China may have obtained T-80s later from post Soviet Russia, probably as part of repayment of loans to Russia.

In the eighties, China may have obtained licensed production of 120mm from a European country, probably either Switzerland (Oerlikon) or Germany. These was used in the an SPTG whose production was later cancelled and remaining numbers are all placed in active duty in one regiment.
 
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