Chinese Version of Patriot Interceptor Said Undergoing Tests

[faheem]

Hey I have come to know that China recently tested a new surface-to-air missile in northwest China, which is said to be similar in capacity to the American Patriot interceptor. South Korea’s Dong-A Ilbo cites a recent bulletin from the People’s Liberation Army stating that the test involved the detection and downing of both a reconnaissance drone and an incoming ballistic missile by an interceptor “similar to the U.S. Patriot missile.” According to the Chinese launch commander, “This marks the official launch of the interceptor missile unit. We can intercept not only high-flying reconnaissance planes or missiles but also low-flying targets. Our accuracy is significantly high as well.”
This indeed a bad news for the possible enemies of China.As it will distrub the military balance in this region:sniper

URL http://www.missilethreat.com/

 

[aaaditya]

Hey I have come to know that China recently tested a new surface-to-air missile in northwest China, which is said to be similar in capacity to the American Patriot interceptor. South Korea’s Dong-A Ilbo cites a recent bulletin from the People’s Liberation Army stating that the test involved the detection and downing of both a reconnaissance drone and an incoming ballistic missile by an interceptor “similar to the U.S. Patriot missile.” According to the Chinese launch commander, “This marks the official launch of the interceptor missile unit. We can intercept not only high-flying reconnaissance planes or missiles but also low-flying targets. Our accuracy is significantly high as well.”
This indeed a bad news for the possible enemies of China.As it will distrub the military balance in this region:sniper

URL http://www.missilethreat.com/

missiles comparable to patriot are no big deal ,besides china ,india also has a similiar project,i dont think it will alter any millitary balance in the region,of course if china had a thaad type of missile systems or the arrow type,then it would be a different story altogether.

 

[faheem]

missiles comparable to patriot are no big deal ,besides china ,india also has a similiar project,i dont think it will alter any millitary balance in the region,of course if china had a thaad type of missile systems or the arrow type,then it would be a different story altogether.

OH i similiar project. I think if you provide more information about that will be better.I like otheres wants to know more about this project.

 

[powerslavenegi]

HI, heard about Chinese missile tests but there is nothing impressive about these tests,in a real war scenario there would be several decoys flying along with the real warhead,moreover a single missile with multiple warheads would be practically impossible to intercept.

 

[faheem]

HI, heard about Chinese missile tests but there is nothing impressive about these tests,in a real war scenario there would be several decoys flying along with the real warhead,moreover a single missile with multiple warheads would be practically impossible to intercept.

Yes you are right that it deficult to stop any missile with multiple warheads.But the missile with single warheads can be stoped.It will going to distrub the balance in the region and as far as India is concered it all missiles possess only single warhead.So these are not that important but i think they will have a great impact military balance in the region. One othere think that small steps like this will definatly leads towords the develpment of more complex and efficint missile defence system

 

[aaaditya]

Yes you are right that it deficult to stop any missile with multiple warheads.But the missile with single warheads can be stoped.It will going to distrub the balance in the region and as far as India is concered it all missiles possess only single warhead.So these are not that important but i think they will have a great impact military balance in the region. One othere think that small steps like this will definatly leads towords the develpment of more complex and efficint missile defence system

india's agni missile which is india's china specific missile has already proven mirv capability and this missile is in service in two versions a 700kms ranged version and a 2500kms ranged version a third version is currently under development with a range of 3500-5000kms.

 

[norinco89]

We are discussing the HQ-9 not some Indian missile that has yet only exist on paper.

The HQ-9 is a bit of a mix between the Patriot(the guidance system) and the s-300. Generally it is decent for a largely indiginously made SAM. the majority of it was chinese while the S-300 served as a inspiration or concept which it was based on. The missile has a cold lauched vertical tube laucher similar to the ones used on S-300s. Orginall it had a patriot angled box lauchers but the missiles were too heavy and big for them.

They have a 200km range. It is fairly decent. This design has not "matured" yet. although it is already in production the design can still be improved.

It is equiped already by the PLA. a version of it is up for sale in the arms market. It is already in production.


a note to aaaditya, please dont brag and make up stuff. India is a up coming military might but its not there yet. It does not have MIRVs equipped or even in testing stage. It certainly do have any ICBMs. This for a simple reason. Pakistan is right next to them. China orginally developed ICBMs to use as a nuclear detergence against russia. Now it is using it against the U.S. and other countries. India has no usee efor them. So please dont make stuff up and change forums into a diatribe on the "Indian Military Might"

 

[faheem]

We are discussing the HQ-9 not some Indian missile that has yet only exist on paper.

The HQ-9 is a bit of a mix between the Patriot(the guidance system) and the s-300. Generally it is decent for a largely indiginously made SAM. the majority of it was chinese while the S-300 served as a inspiration or concept which it was based on. The missile has a cold lauched vertical tube laucher similar to the ones used on S-300s. Orginall it had a patriot angled box lauchers but the missiles were too heavy and big for them.

They have a 200km range. It is fairly decent. This design has not "matured" yet. although it is already in production the design can still be improved.

It is equiped already by the PLA. a version of it is up for sale in the arms market. It is already in production.


a note to aaaditya, please dont brag and make up stuff. India is a up coming military might but its not there yet. It does not have MIRVs equipped or even in testing stage. It certainly do have any ICBMs. This for a simple reason. Pakistan is right next to them. China orginally developed ICBMs to use as a nuclear detergence against russia. Now it is using it against the U.S. and other countries. India has no usee efor them. So please dont make stuff up and change forums into a diatribe on the "Indian Military Might"

Hey i was thinking that can this missile defence system stop American missiles especially the curise missile.

 

[tphuang]

I'd like to get Gary's opinion on this if possible. I was originally under the impression that HQ-9A doesn't have the capability to intercept ballistic missile despite the claims of PAC-2 guidance. Would this be a completely new SAM that we haven't heard about or HQ-9? I wonder.

 

[aaaditya]

We are discussing the HQ-9 not some Indian missile that has yet only exist on paper.

The HQ-9 is a bit of a mix between the Patriot(the guidance system) and the s-300. Generally it is decent for a largely indiginously made SAM. the majority of it was chinese while the S-300 served as a inspiration or concept which it was based on. The missile has a cold lauched vertical tube laucher similar to the ones used on S-300s. Orginall it had a patriot angled box lauchers but the missiles were too heavy and big for them.

They have a 200km range. It is fairly decent. This design has not "matured" yet. although it is already in production the design can still be improved.

It is equiped already by the PLA. a version of it is up for sale in the arms market. It is already in production.


a note to aaaditya, please dont brag and make up stuff. India is a up coming military might but its not there yet. It does not have MIRVs equipped or even in testing stage. It certainly do have any ICBMs. This for a simple reason. Pakistan is right next to them. China orginally developed ICBMs to use as a nuclear detergence against russia. Now it is using it against the U.S. and other countries. India has no usee efor them. So please dont make stuff up and change forums into a diatribe on the "Indian Military Might"

listen norinco and all others on this forum,i have no intention to be rude ,sarcastic or brag about my countries achievements,india does not need someone like me to portray to the world about itself.

all iam doing was to reply to faheem 's statement that the chinese missile will upset power balance in the region,no single weapon system can do that,besides chinese missile is not one of a kind,there are many such similiar missile systems ,iam sure you must have heard of paams,s300 ,arrow and the pac3.

as far as the agni missile is concerned ,agni 1 and 2 are operational ,however 3 is still awaiting political clearance for tetsing though all the development work is completed.

i have no intention of entering into an argument with you guys this forum gives me the right to express my opinion to any topic being discussed and if my opinion is against the forum rules then it is the responsibility of the forum moderators and other bigshots on this forum to delete my post(as they have done before),and i can very well read the title of this thread,so keep your sarcastic tone downsarcastic tone down. and as far as the agni missile is concerned see for yourself wether it is operational or not http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MISSILES/Agni.html

SO BACK OFF.

 

[norinco89]

Still most of the stuff you listed are not deployed by the Indiian army.

Anyway this missile system is almost exclusively deployed in the east. I believe only one ballion is located in the far west. The missile can shot down cruise missiles. The buety of this missile system is it can shot down not only high altitude missiles but also low. There is also a anti-radiation version of this out.

Yeah i heard the HQ-9a is out already. I dont know. I guess we have to wait til the 2009 military parade for our questions to be answered.

 

[tphuang]

Still most of the stuff you listed are not deployed by the Indiian army.

Anyway this missile system is almost exclusively deployed in the east. I believe only one ballion is located in the far west. The missile can shot down cruise missiles. The buety of this missile system is it can shot down not only high altitude missiles but also low. There is also a anti-radiation version of this out.

Yeah i heard the HQ-9a is out already. I dont know. I guess we have to wait til the 2009 military parade for our questions to be answered.

according to kanwa (big if here), HQ-9A is not only out, but has shown better performance in testing than s-300PMU1. If you look at its tracking number and range and so forth, the original specs do see to be better than PMU1. However, I have not heard of anything about an indigenous ATBM before this.

 

[TheDefender]

according to kanwa (big if here), HQ-9A is not only out, but has shown better performance in testing than s-300PMU1. If you look at its tracking number and range and so forth, the original specs do see to be better than PMU1. However, I have not heard of anything about an indigenous ATBM before this.

MOD are there any chances that China might supply this kind of sophisticated tech to its allies or China wants to keep it for itself only.

 

[chinawhite]

india's agni missile which is india's china specific missile has already proven mirv capability

MIRV capability?

Somehow i doubt that

 

[gf0012-aust]

india's agni missile which is india's china specific missile has already proven mirv capability and this missile is in service in two versions a 700kms ranged version and a 2500kms ranged version a third version is currently under development with a range of 3500-5000kms.

Actually I think you need to check your sources. India does not have MIRV on Agni.

A clear hint is the missile warhead areas diameter being too small to accept a troika of small nuke warheads.

You couldn't deploy a pair only as there would be some balance and configuration issues.

I think you're getting confused with manouvre re-entry as opposed to independant re-entry. They are vastly different things.

 

[norinco89]

TheDefender
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MOD are there any chances that China might supply this kind of sophisticated tech to its allies or China wants to keep it for itself only.


China is selling a anti-radiation version of this on the international market. It is under the name Ft-2000.


What type of radar does this missile use?

Tombstone?

 

[chinawhite]

I think you're getting confused with manouvre re-entry as opposed to independant re-entry. They are vastly different things.

I think its Multiple re-entry vehicle?

 

[gf0012-aust]

I think its Multiple re-entry vehicle?

There is no such thing though. Manouvre re-entry defines those ballistics that can undergo minor controlled manouvre after breaching the atmosphere. It applies to single warheads.

MIRV applies to multiple warheaded solutions.

 

[chinawhite]

MRV as in Multiple re-entry vehicle refers to multiple warheads on a missile attacking a single traget. Which was mainly used instead of one big warhead to give the same or greater effect to a area. Used to attack a big area

MIRV refers to Indepent Multiple re-entry vehicle. which is the same thing but each warhead has a different target instead of massing together. Its usually launched higher in the astomphere

 

[gf0012-aust]

MRV as in Multiple re-entry vehicle refers to multiple warheads on a missile attacking a single traget. Which was mainly used instead of one big warhead to give the same or greater effect to a area. Used to attack a big area

MIRV refers to Indepent Multiple re-entry vehicle. which is the same thing but each warhead has a different target instead of massing together. Its usually launched higher in the astomphere

Who is using MRV's? It was a 1960's technology that was abandoned very quickly due to other more efficient methods. The most they could carry was 3 warheads which increased radius of effect - as a solution that died rapidly when MIRVs were developed and when more efficient single warheads had a higher radii destruction effect.

The US abandoned MRV's in the early 70's and the missiles were then knocked out in one of the START Agreements.

In real terms, the "West" abandoned them over 35 years ago.