The first block of JF-17's were recently delivered to both the PAF and PRCAF. Initially China & Pakistan planned on both taking delivery of large numbers of the aircraft, but in recent publications the Chinese government has said they may not buy as many as stated at the beginning of the project. What is the future force structure of the Chinese JF-17 going to look like?
Chinese Procurement of JF-17?
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kiwifighter300
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I thought that the PLAN (navy) wanted the FC-1 (JF-17) to replace J-7s, and the PLAAF was pressing them to buy J-10s instead (As the PLAAF is buying these). But I could be wrong.
The PLAAF wants the J-10. The JF-17 is not as good. They will use it to replace the old fighters in large quantities. Kiwifighter is right, the PLAN might want to buy many JF-17s to replace their J-7s. There are too many J-7 so replacing with J-10s would cost too much $. So they will replace them with the cheaper less capable JF-17
You probably have come across the old news. PLAAF stated they would buy aircrafts between 200 to 250 (or something) & so far they staying by 200 units.
Some times back there were reports of PLAAF increasing the number of FC-1 (that is why its said between 200 to 250) because of some of the new features of FC-1 turned out to be pretty impressive (they were either missing in J-10 or bit superior ... nevertheless J-10 overall remains superior) [needs to be confirmed].
If recent publications say that PLAAF wont by as many as they said than they are retreating back to '200' units. (they probably recieved counter-balance when PAF increased requirement from 150 to 200 --- safe exit).
PLAN has got JH-7 in service to replace its old fighters & I think they use J-8 not J-7 (correct me if I am wrong). & they are going for Su-33 for carrier.
JF-17 is smaller in size & thus has lesser range & payload compared to J-10. However, we cannot really say its completely inferior, although J-10 is superior. As I said PLAAF (as well as PAF) officials were/are pretty impressed by some of the features JF-17/FC-1 has to offer & those features have led CAC to upgrade J-10 (from what I have herd).
Also JF-17 is multirole while J-10 is more of an air-superiority fighter.
PLAN has no need for JF-17 AFAIK. Nor do they want/need J-10. Their induction includes JH-7/FBC-1 & Su-33.
Pretty much depends on what you are buying & from whom? (Pakistan or China). But the average cost per unit is around $10 to $15 million. Both China & Pakistan are to produce the fighter with mostly Chinese avionics & weapons system but Pakistan (PAC) will also put some western avionics on the aircraft. So if its PAC's westernized fighter than I think the price would be high but not so high (shouldnt cross $15 or 16 million).
If you are looking for technical answers & precise answer to the actual question (in the 1st post) than I think Tphaung is the right man to answer this all. My knowledge on PLAAF aquiring FC-1 is very limited out of which much is based on roumers.
JH-7 doesn't replace fighters, it replaced the old Il-28 (H-5) light bombers. It's purely a strike aircraft, with no air-air capability.
AFAIK it is primarily Maritime Strike Fighter. & if it was purley A2A, than China wouldnt have named its export version FBC-1 or "Fighter Bomber China-1"
You seem to have misread my post as meaning the exact opposite of what it says. Reading too quickly?
I guess I did :unknownor may be u edited ur post. Anyways, it was totally of topic so dsnt matterYou seem to have misread my post as meaning the exact opposite of what it says. Reading too quickly?
JF-17? There is no indication as of now on how many JF-17s they will procure if any at all. If JF-17 ever does get equipped, it will be either in some less important regiment or possibly in a different role. One of the present speculations is turning it into a Q-5 replacement. Although that sounds a little unlikely to me. Anyhow, there is no guarantee that it will get any domestic orders. It's sort of in the same position as L-15. Looks like nice cheap export item, but whether or not it fits in plaaf's plan is a different issue. Remember, having to support an extra type of fighter is no small matter.
JH-7A has a defensive air to air capability, roughly comparable to an ADF Tornado or updated F-4 Phantom, but it is not primarily used for pure fighter duties.
We may have to wait and see. The way the PLAAF procures now raises some questions.
For the high end, they have the J-11B.
For the strike fighters, they have the JH-7A, though that may be challenged by the J-10S and the J-11BS (twin seater) in the future.
From mid to low end, you got the J-10.
The low end needs more explanation. They also have the updated J-8F/H, which is still being produced. The upgraded J-7G is still being produced but it seems to be on its last legs. Advanced trainers like the L-15 and the JL-9 are also getting a bit close to the JF-17.
So you have a fairly crowded situation here which may have some politics involved. I suspect the nature of how some contracts are made and distributed is intended to subsidize different regional firms and their community job markets.
For example, why just kill the JH-7A and add multirole versions for the J-11B and J-10? You can't because you may need to subsidize the guys in Xian, and not give the business entirely to Chengdu and Shenyang? Hence I see the JH-7A going to be staying for a while. The guys in Xian also make the updated H-6s.
So who should get the contract for the "cheap" fighter below the J-10? At the lower level, the JF-17 is facing the updated J-8F. Technologically, and in the viewpoint of efficiency and flexibility, the JF-17 is better. The J-8F however, brings to the table, the capacity for brute strength---sheer speed and high altitude performance, while being already a familiar item with a ready logistical base.
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That's basically what I understand. The idea for the PLAAF to buy JF-17 was supposedly to amortize and lower the volume cost of the JF-17.
The thing is, both JF-17 and J-10 are being made by the same firm, so either way, you're putting the money on the same pocket.
Also from the speeches I gather that the PLAAF still has intentions to downsize and admitted that by 2010 it will still carry substantial amounts of upgraded aircraft in mix with the modern ones. That implies they got no intention to replace the J-7s on a plane to plane basis. Once the plane is retired, so does the pilots and the unit. The rest of the planes still remaining are either upgrades or modernized aircraft like the J-8F. The PLAAF, and so does the rest of the PLA, has always emphasized that they will achieve their aims through technological capability and modernization, even if that means they will downsize to afford the new toys. That means they're not going to play the stereotypical zerg strategy people always think of the PLA.
I have not seen or heard the PLAAF officially stating they are buying JF-17s, and even now, even in this late stage of the program, I have not heard even of the slightest credible rumor to that effect, even though we get plenty of rumors and reports of other developments. I don't know if it is AVIC that is making those statements, but the PLAAF and AVIC are not the same entities and seems to have their own loggerheads in some issues, like the J-10 being kept secret for too long.
rd-133
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what about RD-133 engines for JF-17 which the pakistanis were about to procure from russia???????
is it true that the chinese J-10(F-10) will be powered by the ultrafuturistic AL-41 engines.????????
pls provide data if possible..
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what about RD-133 engines for JF-17 which the pakistanis were about to procure from russia???????
is it true that the chinese J-10(F-10) will be powered by the ultrafuturistic AL-41 engines.????????
pls provide data if possible..
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J-13
Crobato yaar !!! any idea about the J-13 program????????
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also update me on the J-XX which pakistani air force is eyeing.
also , how does the JH-7A compare with the JF-17-thunder??
enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Crobato yaar !!! any idea about the J-13 program????????
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also update me on the J-XX which pakistani air force is eyeing.
also , how does the JH-7A compare with the JF-17-thunder??
enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RD-133 and AL-41 are too far off from now. Let's just say its projected, but it looks more like the JF-17 and the J-10 will be powered by Chinese built engines in the future rather than Russian. Unless the Russians are able to outprice their Chinese counterparts.
J-XX are too speculative to discuss right now.
JH-7A and JF-17 are two different animals. The former is a strike fighter in the Tornado sense of the word, the latter is intended to fill the gap which could have been occupied by the F-20 Tigershark.
J-XX are too speculative to discuss right now.
JH-7A and JF-17 are two different animals. The former is a strike fighter in the Tornado sense of the word, the latter is intended to fill the gap which could have been occupied by the F-20 Tigershark.