Chinese Fighters
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Its not J-17 its JF-17 (Joint Fighter -17) & it can not be compared to Su-30, F-18E/F, F-15s, latest F-16s & specialy not with EF-2000 & Rafale. U can compare it to MiG-29.C-Man said:Hey! Can Any1 give me the details about this "J-series" A/C bieng developed by China.
(Request: Plz start with the J-10 or its predecesser.)
Also can som1 compare this J-17 & J-XX with Su-30, the Hornets,the EF200,or the Rafale??)
Thnx!!!!!
J-XX is a mystry ... there is no specification available so it too can not be compared to any aircraft mentioned above. But it is planned to be in the league of JSF-35, Rafale etc. Certainly superior to Su-30.
The 'J' series aircrafts being developed China are:
CURRENT:
1. JH-7 (FBC-1) = Indigenous Fighter Bomber / Maritime Aircraft
2. J-10 = Indigenous High Tech Multirole Fighter
3. JF-17 (known as FC-1 in China) = MediumTech multirole fighter being developed with Pakistan.
4. J-11 = Licensed Chinese produced Su-27
(China canceled license of J-11/Su-27 a year and half ago, it only produces Su-30 now)
5. J-XX = 5th generation fighter being produced by SAC (producers of J-11/Su-27).
PREVIOUS
1. J-4 = Chinese produced MiG-15
2. J-5 = Chinese producee MiG-17
3. J-6/F-6 = Chinese produced MiG-19 Farmer
4. J-7/F-7 = Chinese version of MiG-21 (Its airframe is only a copy of MiG-21, rest of the aircraft is Indigenous Chinese)
Get your facts together
Oh my god, I was reading the previous post in horror. How can you possibly say that the JF-17 can be compared to the MiG-29. There might not be too much data available, but I can tell you that even the MiG-29 surpasses it.
First of all, you are comparing twin-engine aircraft to a single-engine one. There is a reason why the americans kept the F-15 as their air superiority beast. The F-16 was more in the line of more planes for the money. The MiG-29 was built under that same guidance, and the JF-17 is being built mostly as very low cost fighter aircraft.
If you take a hard look at it you will notice that it is nothing more than a natural evolution/modification of a J-7. In essence it has the frame (forget the wings) of a MiG-21 with the radar incorporated at the nose. This is not to say that this is on the same league as the MiG-21 but it this aircraft is not on the same league as the MiG-29 either. The reason for that is that as much as looks counts, chinese avionics and weapon systems are far behind than russian systems, not to say western systems. It's cool that the chinese are getting their act together and are building more sophisticated stuff but right now is not too competitive in the international market.
P.S: I noticed your flag after I wrote the article and sorry to hurt your pride since I understand that Pakistan has a special program with China to build this aircraft. Unless Pakistan uses Israeli avionics, russian engines and israeli or russian weapons, the plane is just going to be a way to advance the aeronautics industry in your country (which is in itself a very good thing, much better than buying Rafales or whatever).
Oh my god, I was reading the previous post in horror. How can you possibly say that the JF-17 can be compared to the MiG-29. There might not be too much data available, but I can tell you that even the MiG-29 surpasses it.
First of all, you are comparing twin-engine aircraft to a single-engine one. There is a reason why the americans kept the F-15 as their air superiority beast. The F-16 was more in the line of more planes for the money. The MiG-29 was built under that same guidance, and the JF-17 is being built mostly as very low cost fighter aircraft.
If you take a hard look at it you will notice that it is nothing more than a natural evolution/modification of a J-7. In essence it has the frame (forget the wings) of a MiG-21 with the radar incorporated at the nose. This is not to say that this is on the same league as the MiG-21 but it this aircraft is not on the same league as the MiG-29 either. The reason for that is that as much as looks counts, chinese avionics and weapon systems are far behind than russian systems, not to say western systems. It's cool that the chinese are getting their act together and are building more sophisticated stuff but right now is not too competitive in the international market.
P.S: I noticed your flag after I wrote the article and sorry to hurt your pride since I understand that Pakistan has a special program with China to build this aircraft. Unless Pakistan uses Israeli avionics, russian engines and israeli or russian weapons, the plane is just going to be a way to advance the aeronautics industry in your country (which is in itself a very good thing, much better than buying Rafales or whatever).
JF-17 is just a cheap replacement for mig 21, mirage III and other planes of that generation.
The future of chinese air force will be the J-10 and possibly J-10a.
There are also rumors of a J-11a.
The J-10a and J-11a are a upgraded version of the J-10 and J-11. They will rechieve the WS-10 engine with possibly TVC. They will rechieve better EW and radar.
The future of chinese air force will be the J-10 and possibly J-10a.
There are also rumors of a J-11a.
The J-10a and J-11a are a upgraded version of the J-10 and J-11. They will rechieve the WS-10 engine with possibly TVC. They will rechieve better EW and radar.
They are better than the early model MiG-29s. The reason Pakistan went for JF-17 deal was to counter threat of IAF MiG-29s. This was after the US arms sanction in 1992. Now the IAF MiG-29s may certainly have been upgraded but the idea of having superior aircraft againsy standard MiG-29 versions is what gave birth to JF-17. The production manager of JF-17 (Also J-10) also said that JF-17 is better than Mirage2000s that Tiwan has & PAF has already said they are superior to current PAF F-16s.
Where is the logic in there? How do you define "surpass" and "better fighter"?acas7i11o said:
In terms of one-on-one combat both the JF-17 and MiG-29 possess BVRAAM, advanced radars and good avionics; so what is to tell you that JF-17 will not win? And the MiG-29 has better range than the JF-17, true...but how will being able to travel longer save it from a BVRAAM?
Ok...did you also realize that technically the JF-17 uses a refined version of the MiG-29's engine; and does an extra engine give a fighter an advantage in a dogfight? The MiG-29 is more on league with the F-16 on the paper basis; however the JF-17 can shoot down the MiG-29. Use some common sence and infer, JF-17 has a BVRAAM of 70km, and a radar of 100km - Pakistan and India are physically quite close. So where did the MiG-29's non existant advantage go?
If you cannot define superiority, then you should not be talking. Just because the JF-17 supposedly has the frame of MiG-21 -which is impossible because the "changes" made would have constituted the development of an entirely new frame anyways, more feasible -, it uses a refined version of the MiG-29's engine. The JF-17 will possess a good radar system which can fully exploit a 70km BVRAAM; so how can it not take down the MiG-29? MiG-29's superiority lies in range and payload, but that will not save it from a missile.
China is rapidly advancing in this field and in a few years they will have systems which will prove to be a big bang for the buck - especially in the South Asia equation. Besides, what tells you JF-17 won't be armed with Western avionics?
Even "if" JF-17 was based on MiG-21; one must consider such an act by Pakistan and China would be a total waste of money and pure idiocy. To develop such modifications on a 40 year old airframe; adding a nose, two side intakes (DSI intakes), composites, new wings, extend the very structure of the frame for a new engine - the list goes on. It would have been cheaper to simply design a new airframe for such things, rather than give steriods to a MiG-21. Now we all know the PAF wants to most out of its money, and we know that it would rather take the more economically worthwhile new frame; of course many of our esteemed guests cannot comprehend that.
The JF-17 is a advance THIRD generation plane. It is meant to replace SECOND generation planes and be a cheaper alternative to THIRD generation planes. Its capability approaches early FOURth generation planes. It is regarded as a 3.5 generation plane.
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