Chinese billboard depicts attack on US Carrier???

[Feros Ferio]

Hello Everyone,

I was recently reading an article in which it stated that there have been billboards set up in China depicting a US aircraft carrier being sunk by a barrage of DF-21D "aircraft carrier killer" missiles.

Here is the link to the article:

DoD Report Highlights Ties With China, Skirts Problems - Defense News

First of all, has anyone seen one of these? If so, could you post a picture or a link to the picture. I would really like to see this!!!

Second, IF this is true, does this strike anyone else as incredibly offensive? To publicly display the massacre of a ship full of citizens of a country with which you are at peace is sending a certain message of what to expect. From what I know, there is little that happens in China, in terms of international politics, that the government is unaware of and/or not in control of. With this in mind, how is the US supposed to view such provocations?

 

[Kilo 2-3]

Are you referring to this? If so, that's a Republic of China (Taiwan) missile and a burning People's Republic of China (mainland China) carrier, presumably their new Varyag-class vessel.

 

[chmill24]

I don't believe that is the picture the op is talking about. The direct quote from the article is "The DF-21D has been dubbed by the media as the "aircraft carrier killer," and billboards in China have shown U.S. Navy aircraft carriers being sunk after being saturated by DF-21D missiles."

Although I find it very intriguing that Taiwan has similar illustrations.

 

[Feros Ferio]

Are you referring to this? If so, that's a Republic of China (Taiwan) missile and a burning People's Republic of China (mainland China) carrier, presumably their new Varyag-class vessel.

Hey Kilo,

The direct quote does seem to be very specific about the countries involved in the billboard's depiction. I also find it interesting that Taiwan has similar propaganda out there, though not entirely suprised. However, is that a billboard? Where was this picture put up? Its one thing if some nationalist put up a doctored pic on the internet. Its an entirely different thing if the Chinese government allowed or had one put one up in public on a billboard. Seems like a pretty direct shot at the US military. Definitely a dangerous game to play when we are at supposedly at peace, don't you think?

 

[NICO]

Taiwan's 'Carrier Killer' Aims To Sink China's Carrier - Defense News

I posted this one about a week ago, it was Taiwan missiles sinking China's new carrier, just the day the ship sailed out. I haven't seen the billboards in China although I don't doubt it. Not much to go all excited about. Was and still is quite common to see pictures of US F- series or Euro jets shooting at Sukois in animations,infomercials by US defense contractors or what not, just you don't see the big red star or CCCP anymore, that's all. That's the hardest and most likely target so that's what you depict.

I have been to China air museum north of Beijing and most of the targets sure looked like F16s being shot down by Chinese fighters. So what? It didn't bother me, that is the most likely target for them.

 

[JoeMcFriday]

"I posted this one about a week ago, it was Taiwan missiles sinking China's new carrier, just the day the ship sailed out."

Nico & Ferios Ferio,

The Taiwanese poster appearing as the carrier sailed seems to be an answer in kind to the Mainland poster which depicted their new missile sinking a USN super carrier.

That poster was displayed either at a trade show or at the DF21Ds public unveiling some time ago, can't recall which ATM and my Google fu is not strong enough to-day to find a link showing that poster.

I'm unaware of the billboards but do remember viewing the original online, earlier this year IIRC.

here's a link to the earlier Dong Feng thread, there may be something there but the original poster issue started later I think.

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/n...-missile-change-who-controls-oceans-10526-11/

Cheers,
Mac

 

[NICO]

"I posted this one about a week ago, it was Taiwan missiles sinking China's new carrier, just the day the ship sailed out."

Nico & Ferios Ferio,

The Taiwanese poster appearing as the carrier sailed seems to be an answer in kind to the Mainland poster which depicted their new missile sinking a USN super carrier.

That poster was displayed either at a trade show or at the DF21Ds public unveiling some time ago, can't recall which ATM and my Google fu is not strong enough to-day to find a link showing that poster.

I'm unaware of the billboards but do remember viewing the original online, earlier this year IIRC.

here's a link to the earlier Dong Feng thread, there may be something there but the original poster issue started later I think.

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/n...-missile-change-who-controls-oceans-10526-11/

Cheers,
Mac

I don't know about the Taiwan poster, as far as I know, it was on display at a trade show recently and they showed it (I think for the first time?) the same day the Chinese carrier set sail. Maybe it was just a coincidence?

I remember seeing a display somewhere of a US carrier under attack, just not sure when and where. I am also trying to find it. I just don't think it is a big deal, that's part of the game.

 

[JoeMcFriday]

I don't know about the Taiwan poster, as far as I know, it was on display at a trade show recently and they showed it (I think for the first time?) the same day the Chinese carrier set sail. Maybe it was just a coincidence?

I remember seeing a display somewhere of a US carrier under attack, just not sure when and where. I am also trying to find it. I just don't think it is a big deal, that's part of the game.

Agree with that... just a coincidence... :

Also agree it's all part of the game, can't stop the hotheads on both sides from stirring though, they're a royal PIA! :smokie

If I find a copy of the PRC poster, I'll link it.

cheers,
Mac

 

[exported_kiwi]

Are you referring to this? If so, that's a Republic of China (Taiwan) missile and a burning People's Republic of China (mainland China) carrier, presumably their new Varyag-class vessel.

Yes, that is definitely Taiwanese and was reported in the CVhinese newspaper; "China Daily" a few days ago. I've never seen such a poster in the PRC depicting USN carriers being interdicted.

 

[JoeMcFriday]

Yes, that is definitely Taiwanese and was reported in the CVhinese newspaper; "China Daily" a few days ago. I've never seen such a poster in the PRC depicting USN carriers being interdicted.

Kiwi,

Yes mate, this was Taiwan's 'reply' but the original question was about the earlier PRC poster of the DF21D "saturating" USN CVNs.

I have seen the poster sized artwork online, however in the article referenced it is stated that "billboards" carrying the same imagery are displayed in the PRC and Feros was trying to confirm that.

Perhaps large roadside advertising hoardings, which we think of as "billboards" in ANZ is not what is meant but the smaller posters on a stand, at an arms show.

If they [roadside size] were prolific, you probably would have seen one. As you haven't, I'd say its either a misuse of words or a beat-up.

Still doesn't explain why the [PRC] online imagery is so hard to find now!

Cheers,
Mac

 

[wormhole]

I remember reading an article by a retired US Admiral IIRC and the graphic showed a CVN on fire and sinking because of a Chinese AShBM attack.. very alarmist.

 

[Feros Ferio]

Kiwi,

Yes mate, this was Taiwan's 'reply' but the original question was about the earlier PRC poster of the DF21D "saturating" USN CVNs.

I have seen the poster sized artwork online, however in the article referenced it is stated that "billboards" carrying the same imagery are displayed in the PRC and Feros was trying to confirm that.

Perhaps large roadside advertising hoardings, which we think of as "billboards" in ANZ is not what is meant but the smaller posters on a stand, at an arms show.

If they [roadside size] were prolific, you probably would have seen one. As you haven't, I'd say its either a misuse of words or a beat-up.

Still doesn't explain why the [PRC] online imagery is so hard to find now!

Cheers,
Mac

Perhaps you are right. Our ideas of what constitutes a billboard could be different and it may just be a poster at a trade show. If this is true, it somehow doesn't seem nearly as offensive. Showing a "carrier killer" missile sinking a carrier at such an event is like showing a car driving at the detroit auto show. Just an image of its capabilities. However, I had thought if there were giant signs like this in public, it seemed like some sort of attempt on the part of their gov't to condition the populace to be comfortable and/or desirous of such an event. Definitely two different things.

I have searched high and low and still cannot find the image. Interesting that it is so hard to find now. If any of you can manage to get it, as I said before, I would love to see this thing. Perhaps a better route would be to ask the author of the piece to back up his claims?

 

[exported_kiwi]

Kiwi,

Yes mate, this was Taiwan's 'reply' but the original question was about the earlier PRC poster of the DF21D "saturating" USN CVNs.

I have seen the poster sized artwork online, however in the article referenced it is stated that "billboards" carrying the same imagery are displayed in the PRC and Feros was trying to confirm that.

Perhaps large roadside advertising hoardings, which we think of as "billboards" in ANZ is not what is meant but the smaller posters on a stand, at an arms show.

If they [roadside size] were prolific, you probably would have seen one. As you haven't, I'd say its either a misuse of words or a beat-up.

Still doesn't explain why the [PRC] online imagery is so hard to find now!

Cheers,
Mac

G'day mate! Yeah, in China, there are too many laowai (foreigners) now and for us to see that kind of thing publically would be viewed as too provocative. The sentiment that China can strike USN carriers with DF21 is prevalent and it'll have to do for now.
As to posters etc, never even seen a poster depicting such an occurence, let a lone a big sod of a billboard! Chinese tend to view the DF21 and the J-20 stealth aircraft as magical US beating panaceas. I have my doubts and voice them but they laugh and suggest that their technology is now better than the US. It's a mindset that, sadly, won't be broken unless it's proven in a violent way and many young people here actually hope for this unbelievably!
WRT PRC online imagery, you do know that the net is closely censored here right? No fascebook or youtube, nothing like that at all. I'm surprised I can log in here even although there are days I can't.

 

[Feros Ferio]

G'day mate! Yeah, in China, there are too many laowai (foreigners) now and for us to see that kind of thing publically would be viewed as too provocative. The sentiment that China can strike USN carriers with DF21 is prevalent and it'll have to do for now.
As to posters etc, never even seen a poster depicting such an occurence, let a lone a big sod of a billboard! Chinese tend to view the DF21 and the J-20 stealth aircraft as magical US beating panaceas. I have my doubts and voice them but they laugh and suggest that their technology is now better than the US. It's a mindset that, sadly, won't be broken unless it's proven in a violent way and many young people here actually hope for this unbelievably!
WRT PRC online imagery, you do know that the net is closely censored here right? No fascebook or youtube, nothing like that at all. I'm surprised I can log in here even although there are days I can't.

I'm actually trying to contact the authors of the article. Hopefully they can provide some evidence to back this claim. If they do, I will certainly share it, as I'm sure others on this site would be as interested to see such a thing as I am.

 

[Abraham Gubler]

When the Chinese media made some announcements a while ago about the DF-21 missile they used a promo picture of lots of fireballs descending on a US carrier battle group. The picture was from the movie Transformers 2... Kind of appropiate really considered how fictional this claimed capability is.

 

[exported_kiwi]

When the Chinese media made some announcements a while ago about the DF-21 missile they used a promo picture of lots of fireballs descending on a US carrier battle group. The picture was from the movie Transformers 2... Kind of appropiate really considered how fictional this claimed capability is.

Yes, I keep pointing this out but to no avail!

To Feros; the article was in the China Daily newspaper. I'll try and find out some stuff here for you, that's if the CPC ostrich doesn't bury it's head in the sand and ignore the problem like they usually do, hoping it'll go away.

 

[JoeMcFriday]

When the Chinese media made some announcements a while ago about the DF-21 missile they used a promo picture of lots of fireballs descending on a US carrier battle group. The picture was from the movie Transformers 2... Kind of appropiate really considered how fictional this claimed capability is.

Abraham,

If that scene has very prominent US flag/markings that may be it.

My kids didn't like the movie so there's little chance I'll buy it to check.

However, from the Zhuhai Airshow 2010, starting at 2:10 in there's a scenario which depicts a CBG getting hit, just no prominent US flags this time.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiXSOn1hHiE&feature=player_embedded#"]WJ-600 Combat UAV - CGI presentation at Zhuhai Airshow 2010 - YouTube[/nomedia]!

Cheers,
Mac

 

[t68]

However, from the Zhuhai Airshow 2010, starting at 2:10 in there's a scenario which depicts a CBG getting hit, just no prominent US flags this time.

WJ-600 Combat UAV - CGI presentation at Zhuhai Airshow 2010 - YouTube!

Cheers,
Mac

Interesting that they think the USN will sit off the coast within land base missile range and have no aircraft up themselves, must be a sucker punch setup from a Tom Clancy novel like the one with the undeclared war between the US Japan and disabled a carrier during war cames.

 

[colay]

Here's omething but the artist is American.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Thread closed as it's ridiculous