China's New Project 5th Generation AC: J-12 (Jianjiji-12 Fighter aircraft 12) / F-12

ashoaib

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China's Jian-12 or J-12 (F-12 for foreign markets) is 5th generation multirole jet due to fly by 2012 and enter service by 2015. It has been codenamed XXJ by US's Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). J-12 is destined to be China's top-end fighter along with the Su-30MKK when it will be introduced.


For now, China's top-end plane remains J-10, which is basically an Israeli airframe with Russian engines. It is still under development and it is expected that Russian content will increase extensively as the development progresses.

China has developed close ties with Russia's aerospace industry and has license produced many fighters including MiG-21 and Su-27. Their FC-1/Super 7 design is based on MiG-33 (which was rejected by Soviet Air Force). Earlier Chinese planes are the Q-5 Fantan, J-8 Finback and FBC-1. The FBC-1 was their latest attempt, and was'nt successful - the Su-27 filled in for it. Considering their track record, it may well be possible that the J-12 ends up being a re-christened MiG MFI. MAPO-MIG is already involved in the J-10 program. MFI is one of the world's 5th generation designs. However, considering the project's timeframe, it seems unlikely (they would'nt need 15 years to do this).


MiG's MFI project, (project 1.42) was first unveiled to the public in 1999. The production of this promising design unforunately was cancelled due to lack of funds.



Not much is known about J-12 right now - the aircraft is still going through initial work. The project is at is where the USAF ATF (Advanced Tactical Fighter) Program, which lead to the F-22A, was in ~1983. Virtually everything is still wide open. Sources within combat aircraft manufacturer Chengdu confirm that it is looking at a twin-engined design and that they are examining both single and two crew configuration.


Stealthiness is an integral part of all new fighter designs and J-12 is no exception. The engines are most likely to be Russian with Thrust Vectoring. Stealth and thrust vectoring are two features that are a must in all aircraft being designed today. Interestingly, Chinese aircraft designers will actually perform a 'generation leap' if J-12 goes into service with PLAAF. All aircraft produced in China before (apart from licenced Su-27) have been 3rd generation aircraft. Chengdu will have to take Western/Israeli/Russian help to make J-12 truly 5th generation.

J-12's immediate rival will be India's MCA (Medium Combat Aircraft). It too is expected to be a 5th generation aircraft. While the fate of MCA is not clear, J-12 is probably under active development.

China has been offered 'joint development and production' of a new 5th generation fighter by Russia . Russia has been trying to sell this concept both to China and India for some time, but neither of them as committed fully - yet. The PAK FA will 'counter' America's second 5th gen Joint Strike Fighter [JSF]. As of now it seems that India will be Russia's partner but no deals have been signed yet.

Note: The J-12 designation was previously applied to an aircraft built at Nanchang in the late 1970s, with only one or two airframes being constructed prior to the program's cancellation.
 

Pathfinder-X

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Here is an Image, of course it is just a concept.

The name J-12 should not be used for 5th generation fighter by China. The designation J-12 was already used in a cancelled project(Mini version of J-7). The official designation should be J-13.
 

Salman78

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If J-12 materializes by 2010 & service entry seems possible by 2015 then PAF should go for it instead of J-10.
 

Salman78

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ashoaib said:
Their FC-1/Super 7 design is based on MiG-33 (which was rejected by Soviet Air Force).

FC-1 based on Mig-33 ????? U gotta be kidding me dude...
Mig-33 is basically and upgraded Mig-29 and even the external difference is negligible b/w the two. It has nothing to do with FC-1






These are Mig-33 pics
 

Pathfinder-X

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Salman78 said:
If J-12 materializes by 2010 & service entry seems possible by 2015 then PAF should go for it instead of J-10.
What makes you think China will sell it to you?? And sell it to you right after testing??? I don't think so!! :D: Not until a few years after it becomes operational with PLAAF. Just like China will not sell its J-10 right after finishing development.
 

adsH

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if history is any indicator (which it is) PAF can only count on one Country to support them and that country is China. China is the closest ally of Pakistan and has been the closet friend/Ally since pakistan first appeared on the Face of this earth. its obvious that PAF would not be able to get these before PLAAF but i would put my money on, that PAF would be the Second customer of the J-12. PAF has plans for this AC, but ACM wants intermediate Gap fillers till J-12 can be acquired

:)
 

umair

Peace Enforcer
Actually Pathfinder an anallogy can be drawn between the US-Britian relationship and the Sino-Pak relationship.Both relationships in my view are quite similar.
 

Salman78

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I did not speculate any development time frame or specific service entry date. You shouldnt assume things on your own mr pathfinder. Ofcourse its pretty childish to assume someone selling a plane during or right after development nor would any sane buyer be willing to bet on a new technolgy like that.

16 JF-17's will be flying with PAF during it's development so urgency can change a lot of things.
 

adsH

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Salman78 said:
16 JF-17's will be flying with PAF during it's development so urgency can change a lot of things.
PAF is an equal in the JF-17 project and the 16 in total and 8 for PAF, would be for evolutionary purposes testing would continue in Pakistan.
 
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