China Seeks Heavylift Aircraft

yasin_khan

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Jane’s Defence Weekly (JDW) reported on 16 September 2004 that China is approaching Ukraine for heavylift aircraft to boost its long-distance strategic power projection capabilities for the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF). JDW cites its sources in Beijing that China has launched preliminary talks with Ukraine on the potential acquisition and/or licensed production of Antonov heavylift transport aircraft.It is understood that China may be interested in purchasing few Antonov An-124 (NATO codename: Condor) four-engine freighters, the world’s largest production aircraft with a maximum payload of 120 tonnes. Additionally, China may also consider the even larger six-engine An-225 Mriya (Dream) freighter, which is the largest aircraft ever built in the history of mankind, with a maximum payload of 250 tonnes.

With its unique transport capabilities and the high performance, the An-124 will provide China with the strategic airlift capabilities it does not possess currently. The PLAAF currently operates fourteen IL-76MD military transport aircraft, each of which can carry 140 troops or 125 paratroops. The An-124 can carry 448 troops or 268 paratroops, or 16 pallets of cargos for airdrops, each weighting up to 4.5 tonnes, outperforming any strategic transport aircraft in service with the Western air forces.

Another important reason that may have attracted China to pursue the An-124 is the potential opportunity of technology transfer or licensed production of the aircraft. The Chinese aviation industry has been long to build a large, modern transport aircraft for both civil and military purposes. Following the several failed attempts to build large commercial airliners jointly with McDonnell Douglas and Airbus in the 1990s, China may well turn to countries like Ukraine and Russia for helps.

It is possible that China may purchase few planes for initial evaluations before further deals are made. It is also possible that the aircraft will be acquired through commercial airlines to keep a low profile.
However, according to the previous experience, a deal like this may has a long way to go before any meaningful result is produced. Politics and international relations may also play important roles. In addition, should China obtained the An-124 or An-225 successfully, the limited number of airfields in China with necessary facilities for the taking-off and landing of the outsized aircraft may well limit its effectiveness.

http://www.sinodefence.com/news/2004/news011004.asp
 

tatra

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But is bigger better in this case? Another way of looking at these very big and large airport bound transports is that that they involve putting a lot of eggs (para's, pallets) into one basket. If don't know what runways are available throughout China (and surrounding area) but wouldn't it be smarter to go for something smaller with rough field capability?
 

berry580

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What good can it do by carrying paratroopers? So it can be a target practice by PLA MANPAD equipped troops? LOL

The point is, its a bit big to enter hostile airspace......
Not to mention its wheels.......
 

neel24neo

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leave the an-124 and 225 aside,which transport plane or heavy lift helicopter is "small" enough to evade enemy MANPADS or airdefence at the drop zone?

"So it can be a target practice by PLA MANPAD equipped troops?"
what do you mean?that PLA will shoot down its own planes?????
 

gf0012-aust

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berry580 said:
What good can it do by carrying paratroopers? So it can be a target practice by PLA MANPAD equipped troops? LOL

The point is, its a bit big to enter hostile airspace......
Not to mention its wheels.......
I guess you haven't seen the flare suppression systems that these planes are fitted with. Look at any footage of transports going in and out of Bosnia and you'll see them at work.

The rest is doctrine. Of course you can use them if you dominate the theatre.

And what has its wheels got to do with it? It's based on the same system that the Me323 used - hence it's reliable and effective.
 

berry580

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neel24neo said:
leave the an-124 and 225 aside,which transport plane or heavy lift helicopter is "small" enough to evade enemy MANPADS or airdefence at the drop zone?

"So it can be a target practice by PLA MANPAD equipped troops?"
what do you mean?that PLA will shoot down its own planes?????
Well as far as I'm concerned, PLA troops gives me an imprssion that they lack training in comparison to western counterparts. If you use those large transport planes as target drones, then literally for sure they won't miss, hence giving them confidence. LOL
I guess you haven't seen the flare suppression systems that these planes are fitted with. Look at any footage of transports going in and out of Bosnia and you'll see them at work.

The rest is doctrine. Of course you can use them if you dominate the theatre.

And what has its wheels got to do with it? It's based on the same system that the Me323 used - hence it's
Yes, I have. They looks pretty spectacular when they're launching the flares, but I personally have my doubts in their effectiveness.
 

Red aRRow

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neel24neo said:
is AN-225 mria in production?i heard they just made two aircraft of that type.
Yes you are correct. The Mriya Cossack was originally built to carry the Russian space shuttle "Buran" from one airbase to another. Only one of the two An-225s is operational as far as I know.
 
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