China-Indonesia start defence production co-op

[drg]

Here:
http://www.indonesia.go.id/en/index.php/content/view/1559/701/
I'd read somewhere in the past that Indonesia had Anzas and Baktar Shikans from Pakistan (copies of Chinese equipment). I'd also read about Indonesia possibly getting/ having C-802 from China and that Indonesia was acquiring missiles from Poland (Kobra SAM) and China.
But this....
Now this has got some stank on it.
I suppose its not the biggest surprise considering the dearth of money spent on the military in Indonesia currently, as well as China's close ties with Pakistan re defence equipment.
I don't think i need to point out the irony of China hunting the Uighurs, yet selling weapons to Indonesia, Pakistan, possibly Azerbaijan etc.
So, does this mean that Indonesia could acquire the JF-17 in future? Unlikely, but its worth asking the question all the same.

 

[Pro'forma]

China-Indonesian co-operation, look into expanding fighting against
catastrophic failures, others one terroristic movements. Estimating
their casualty list is approved to become less influenced to effects
of poverty.

To arbitrate both countries as is known there; rebuilding tsunami-hit
areas has affected military resources same time. Is this not for China
or Indonesia; illegal terrorist groups are within arms reach to Europe or
USSR.

Disasters are not passing military structure as only purchasing equipment,
bilateral agreements/disagreements are today deals-provoking,
expanding worldwide.

 

[Stryker001]

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Security Council members China and Russia, in case any nation wishes to prevent their nuclear program from going ahead due to a variety of reasons.

Australia is not in a position to prevent such a program going ahead, so if there is a accident and the radiation fallout affects the top half of Australia, water supply, and parts of the Pacific Rim resulting in an influx of refugees to Australia.

Thats why it is important for Australia to be seen to support Indonesia's nuclear aspirations as Australia cannot stop it.

Whether Australia sells Indonesia uranium is of little concern. As the Russians will use their atomic agency to supply a different batch of uranium that has been enriched to Indonesia, similar to the situation in Iran.

 

[drg]

Ermmm...ok.
I don't really understand what you're saying Pro'forma, and I sort of understand what you are saying Stryker, regarding the uranium sale from Australia to Russia.That being said there is no way that Australia would sell Indonesia uranium (they have a bit of 'history' to put it politely), but at the same time i doubt many people in the international community would believe that Russia would be allowed to buy uranium from Australia.
Anyways, this is all a bit off-topic.
I'm thinking Indonesia will go for Type 96s (due totheir low weight), not 100% sure on Type 63s. Of course the main focus may be on aerospace, so as i said above, possibly JF-17, maybe J-10.
It's not such a leap, what with Australia being such a close ally of the US and all, to think of China equipping Indonesia to possibly be a means of interdicting any reinforcements Australia would send to Taiwan in the advent of a conflict involving Taiwan. In the past I would have thought it highly improbable if not impossible that Indonesia would seek help from China, due to the way the Chinese have been treated by Indonesia in the past (specifically regarding the crackdown on Communism, and in turn the Chinese community, by Indonesia in the 60s). However, times have changed and a new geopolitical paradigm has come into existence, where even countries that have had enmity in the past, are bandwagoning together (that's deep!).
Anyways, that's my two cents worth.

 

[Stryker001]

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Ermmm...ok.
I don't really understand what you're saying Pro'forma, and I sort of understand what you are saying Stryker, regarding the uranium sale from Australia to Russia.That being said there is no way that Australia would sell Indonesia uranium (they have a bit of 'history' to put it politely), but at the same time i doubt many people in the international community would believe that Russia would be allowed to buy uranium from Australia.
Anyways, this is all a bit off-topic.
Anyways, that's my two cents worth.

It is on topic as it is all linked together.

http://www.kremlin.ru/eng/text/themes/2007/09/071509_143409.shtml

 

[Ozzy Blizzard]

Thats why it is important for Australia to be seen to support Indonesia's nuclear aspirations as Australia cannot stop it.

Australia would do no such thing!

Australia has a much higher latent nuclear capability than the indo's. Were not in a position to stop it if they went down that path, but you could rest assured we would have deliverable warheads on delivery systems faster and in greater number than they would. We allready have nuclear research facility, wide knowlage base, industrial capability and all the resources needed for the weapons themselves, not to mention our long history with BM development. Indonesia has none of the above. Do they really want to start a regional nuclear arms race they cant win?

Anyway in the event of Indonesia actually getting close to achieveing deliverable nuclear weapons we would possibly see an "Operation Opera" (Iraqi Osirak reactor in 81) style air strike designed to eliminate Indoneisia's nuclear weapons capability, which we do posess the capability to achieve.

Any large scale chinese indonesian development that leads to a dramatic increase in indonesian military capability would be countered with a rise in Australian defence spending. At 2% of GDP we have adefence budget of ~$20bn AUD, the US spends 4%, if we matched them we would have $40bn AUD .pa to play with. Indonesia is never going to be able to match that. Therefore any large scale, provocative move to PROC's camp would see both a stronger and more aserive Australia and a larger US presence in the area. Both would be counterproductive to Indonesia's strategic aims. A few arms purchases asside, if there were PROC backed nuclear ambitions or a defenceive alliance you would see some real reactions in Canberra & Washington.

 

[Pro'forma]

I did not answered to your question anyway straight.

I found topic merely interesting.
Only general point of view.

 

[xien]

Maybe you dont know that many people hate chinese in Indonesia,so I think they wont acquire JF-17 from china.

 

[kudaliar]

@ xien

I think your opinion is baseless. Indonesia has already procured C-802 from Chinese, and put them on their FPB-57.

I think JF-17 could be in the next list to go..

 

[whodunit]

They bought anti-ship missiles therefore next are fighter planes? What kind of link is that mr 1 post.

 

[Feanor]

They won't acquire the JF-17 if they know what's good for them. They purchased around 6-10 (I don't recall exactly) flankers from Russia, and a number of new F-16's recently, to complement their older fleet of fighters. Compared to that the JF-17 is just garbage.

 

[tphuang]

They won't acquire the JF-17 if they know what's good for them. They purchased around 6-10 (I don't recall exactly) flankers from Russia, and a number of new F-16's recently, to complement their older fleet of fighters. Compared to that the JF-17 is just garbage.

not really. If you look at the fact that they didn't even get missiles the first time they bought those flankers, JF-17s with BVR capability will be better than that for sure. Even looking at su-27/30s performance in China, I wouldn't say JF-17 is garbage compared to them.

 

[Skywatcher]

Wouldn't adding the JF-17s to the Indonesian Air Force result in redundancies?

The JF-17 is a nice enough fighter, but what can it do that the F-16 and Su-27/30 can't do already?

 

[Feanor]

Not to mention maintenance difficulties from such a large variety of fighters for such a small air force.