I can't find any thread on the CBJ MS, so I thought that I'd post a few links to it here.
Overview
The Cartridge
The Weapon
There's not much more that I can find that will back up these findings, although World Guns seems to back this up.
From the data that I've seen, the 6.5x25 mm cartridge seems to be a fairly good bet. The Spoon Tip, if it really does penetrate just as well as the normal round, would seem to be a good round for the Special Forces/Law Enforcement. Good wound characteristics, good armour piercing (I'd estimate that it could definitely go through Level III armour at 50 metres, maybe even out to 200 metres) good range and, if fired from an MP-5, a reliable, familiar weapon.
Additionally, it would seem to be a good pistol round, better than the 5.7 or 4.6 that FN and HK have put out. Even if you didn't use the 4 mm projectile and opted to use the 6.5 mm bullet instead, I'd guess that you would have a bullet similar to the 7.62 Tokarev in range, penetration power and wound characteristics.
There are some drawbacks that I can see, however. The tungsten round is going to be expensive and prone to over penetration, unless you use the Spoon Tip, and even then I'm unsure as to how this would affect penetration. If you were to replace it with hardened steel, the bullet would have to be longer or wider, both of which could affect its range and/or penetrating ability.
The LSW idea is also a little ludicrous, as is the idea that the 6.5x25 could replace the 5.56, unless a longer barrel would improve its range. I'm also unsure as to how good a penetrator it would be at 400 metres as compared to a 5.56 round fired from an M4.
I know that there are a lot of military consultants/professionals out there, so what are your opinions, taking your experience and this information into account? Would this be a more viable PDW (and not just this particular weapon, any 9 mm SMG rechambered for the 6.5x25 mm cartridge) than what is currently on the market, or is this yet another useless entry into the market that should not be taken seriously?
Overview
The Cartridge
The Weapon
There's not much more that I can find that will back up these findings, although World Guns seems to back this up.
From the data that I've seen, the 6.5x25 mm cartridge seems to be a fairly good bet. The Spoon Tip, if it really does penetrate just as well as the normal round, would seem to be a good round for the Special Forces/Law Enforcement. Good wound characteristics, good armour piercing (I'd estimate that it could definitely go through Level III armour at 50 metres, maybe even out to 200 metres) good range and, if fired from an MP-5, a reliable, familiar weapon.
Additionally, it would seem to be a good pistol round, better than the 5.7 or 4.6 that FN and HK have put out. Even if you didn't use the 4 mm projectile and opted to use the 6.5 mm bullet instead, I'd guess that you would have a bullet similar to the 7.62 Tokarev in range, penetration power and wound characteristics.
There are some drawbacks that I can see, however. The tungsten round is going to be expensive and prone to over penetration, unless you use the Spoon Tip, and even then I'm unsure as to how this would affect penetration. If you were to replace it with hardened steel, the bullet would have to be longer or wider, both of which could affect its range and/or penetrating ability.
The LSW idea is also a little ludicrous, as is the idea that the 6.5x25 could replace the 5.56, unless a longer barrel would improve its range. I'm also unsure as to how good a penetrator it would be at 400 metres as compared to a 5.56 round fired from an M4.
I know that there are a lot of military consultants/professionals out there, so what are your opinions, taking your experience and this information into account? Would this be a more viable PDW (and not just this particular weapon, any 9 mm SMG rechambered for the 6.5x25 mm cartridge) than what is currently on the market, or is this yet another useless entry into the market that should not be taken seriously?