Brahmos missile project: India and Russia at loggerheads over IPRs

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mysterious

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Brahmos missile project: India and Russia at loggerheads over IPRs

* Moscow not willing to allow New Delhi to out source missile technology

By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: The Indo-Russian Brahmos missile project is in jeopardy, as the two countries have locked horns over the Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) pact. Touted as superior to conventional cruise missiles, like the Tomahawk, the BrahMos (a conjunction of the words Brahmaputra and Moskva, names of rivers) with a range of 280 kilometres travels at supersonic speed.

At the core of the dispute is the Russian demand that India will not pass any tactical information on the Russian weapon platforms to third countries. India is not ready to accept the condition as that would prevent upgrading the missile from other countries and bind it to buy from Russia only. The Brahmos is actually based on the Russian Yokhant missile and India provides its inertial navigation system. It has been earmarked for export to “friendly†countries.

Between January and May, Moscow and New Delhi have twice done a back-and-forth on drafting an Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) agreement. Russia is India’s largest supplier of military hardware, supplying over 60 percent of equipment to the Indian Armed Forces. But India’s recent attempts to look for supplies from Israel and other countries have made Russians suspicious of New Delhi’s intentions.

The Russians are insisting on signing of a stringent secrecy clause before military relations can be taken to higher levels involving co-production of equipment on the model of the collaboration for the Brahmos missile, said sources. They want these provisions at two levels: firstly, at the level of co-production arrangements for equipment in Indian ordnance factories and secondly, Moscow is also wary of India passing on information of Russian weapons platforms by upgrading them with Israeli technology or from former Soviet Bloc countries such as Uzbekistan.

The ordnance factories often source components from ancillaries in the private or public sector. Moscow is insisting that such arrangements need explicit permission from Russian companies that are original equipment manufacturers.

“We want more flexibility in the agreement,†said Defence Secretary Ajay Vikram Singh said recently. He visited Moscow recently and presented an alternate draft to the Russians. He said that India wanted flexibility to make changes in the equipment to suit its climate and needs. The Russians are not allowing minor modifications like air conditioning of T-90 tanks, necessary to operate them in Rajasthan and Kutch deserts.

Besides Brahmos, Russia’s insistence of involvement in all upgrades of their equipment hits India’s plans to purchase three airborne early warning and control systems (AWACS) from Israel, upgrading 125 MiG-21 and 27 fighters and the Tu-142 maritime reconnaissance aircraft.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_19-5-2005_pg7_1

Looks like they're taking an aweful lot of time resolving this IPR issue! Maybe its just me but I think that in the not-so-distant future, Russia might think twice before letting India get its hands on sensitive Russian tech.
 

aaaditya

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not necessarily the agreement has been reached by the indians and the ipr is expected to be signed when putin visits india at the end of the year ,i will try to post the source,it was a pretty recent news(justabout a month ago).:coffee
 

mysterious

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aaaditya, its about time you started posting sources for your claims and facts. All I see around DT are your half hearted claims of reading an article here n there or hearing about a report or watever but I dont see anything factual coming. If you say the IPR agreement issue has been solved and is due to be signed on Putin's visit (you say the news is a MONTH old), then you better post it as soon as possible, cuz the thread opener article is just YESTERDAY'S my friend!!
 

aaaditya

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well mysterious buddy here is what you have been asking for (dated april 22 and taken from br forum)
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=68971
you know ive just learnt how to post articles and pics on a forum and since then iam on a posting spree,ive already posted some in answerto highsea's post and the webmaster deleted it and then i had to post all over again,iwas not even given a reason why it was deleted.:coffee
 

srirangan

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mysterious said:
By Iftikhar Gilani
One of the dumbest and most biased author among them all. Hardly reliable info. Last december, Putin's New Delhi visit, the IPR issue was resolved.
 

mysterious

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Sri, before lashing out against a certain author and/or crying foul over who is reliable and who is not, please post the source for your claim of "Last December"! Even the article that aaaditya just posted doesn't really say much about 'what' really turned out to be the result of the IPR issue. According to this very article, the Indian defence secretary was leaving for a visit to Russia on April 22nd, 2005 to discuss and resolve IPR issues. If they were 'fully' resolved last december as you claim, clearly, this wouldn't have come about. Anywayz, enjoy your rants!
 

srirangan

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mysterious said:
Sri, before lashing out against a certain author and/or crying foul over who is reliable and who is not, please post the source for your claim of "Last December"! Even the article that aaaditya just posted doesn't really say much about 'what' really turned out to be the result of the IPR issue. According to this very article, the Indian defence secretary was leaving for a visit to Russia on April 22nd, 2005 to discuss and resolve IPR issues. If they were 'fully' resolved last december as you claim, clearly, this wouldn't have come about. Anywayz, enjoy your rants!
The Putin New Delhi visit was a widely covered and significant event. I don't think I need to post links to prove that it happened, stay informed. Anyway it was agreed then that the IPR agreement would be signed by end 2005.

And don't get me started on Gilani being a reputed author.:p:
 

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Ladies, let me remind you that:

This topic is about Russia and India - no need to bring Pakistan into discussion. Anymore of this ass rubbing and thread will be locked. Debate on merit of the issue (IPRs, etc) not which author is bias from india or pakistan.
 

mysterious

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BOOK REVIEW: Pages from prison —by Ritu Sarin

My Days in Prison
Iftikhar Gilani
Publisher: Penguin India
Pages: 148
Price: Rs 195 (Indian rupees)


If any journalist secretly nourishes a wish to be thrown into jail for the sake of a good narrative, Iftikhar Gilani’s soon-to-be-released My Days in Prison (Penguin, Rs 195) should discourage him. (Mr Gilani is the New Delhi correspondent of Daily Times.)

For, not only has Gilani exposed the susceptibility of a scribe in being targeted with trumped-up charges (in his case, under the antiquated Official Secrets Act), he has also revealed the extent to which the government’s intelligence agencies can stoop to make the charges stick.

In Gilani’s case, it took seven months in the high-security Tihar jail — which he qualifies as one of the “worst prisons in India†— before charges against him were withdrawn at the behest of former defence minister George Fernandes.

Significantly, Gilani writes that at the time of his arrest in June 2002, there were “at least†30 other inmates in Tihar jail facing OSA charges. Almost all the cases were moving at a painfully slow pace.

Besides the shocking description of the manner in which he was called a “traitor†and thrashed by the inmates on his arrival (he fainted at the end of it) and the account of the rampant corruption inside the jail, Gilani writes about incidents which hurt his sensibilities as a journalist.

Like the “horror†he experienced when one among the 60 men who had arrived at his house to search and arrest him decided to seal Dominique Lapierrer’s Freedom at Midnight as a “contraband†item.

The jail authorities took weeks vetting books which his wife, Aanisa, carried for him to read. They even “disallowed†Khushwant Singh’s biography and Nelson Mandela’s best-seller, A Long Walk to Freedom.

Gilani narrates how after a month in Tihar, he was permitted to subscribe to a daily newspaper, as per prison rules. His choice was The Indian Express. This is what Gilani says happened: “When I received my copy the very next day, I was surprised to see only the two sports pages. When I asked the convict where the rest of the paper was he simply said the Express has reduced its pages to just two, and there was little I could do about it. In fact, all the other pages were censored as Express had carried an investigative story on the petrol pump scam.â€

Besides being denied such basic rights, Gilani lists the rules which Tihar authorities had unofficially imposed on the hapless inmates. For example, inmates were not allowed to drink tea in cups or sit on a chair; they were always made to walk in queues; stop whenever they saw any jail official approaching and address him as “sir†with folded hands. And so on.

“Anyone breaking any of the above (rules), even by mistake,†Gilani writes, “would come in for drastic punishment. I once saw a prisoner thrashed at deodhi (gate) because he had dared to drink water out of a cup... I also remember seeing an inmate punished for remaining seated on a bench outside the deodhi when a doctor happened to pass by...â€

It is evident from his narrative that the OSA case against him was the handiwork of the Intelligence Bureau and that, in fact, the Special Branch of Delhi Police initially refused to book him on such flimsy evidence. The back-up plan, which he became privy to later, was to take him to Jammu, “plant†some RDX on him and then show it as a recovery.

Eventually, the crucial “recovery†made from his house was a 48-page booklet on deployment of forces in Kashmir, which was taken as a “secret sensitive document†by members of the raiding party. Even the then home minister, LK Advani, was informed about what a major seizure it was.

It was this document that Gilani’s lawyers and friends later proved in court was available in the public domain, thus forcing the government to withdraw the OSA case. “(But) my heart goes out to those poor souls whom I saw rotting behind bars in Tihar. They were not so fortunate as to have their version presented to the public through the press,†writes Gilani.

His book also makes a strong case for what he calls “urgent course correction†in the handling of OSA cases. Several such cases have been listed in the book. Gilani says, the tendency to book people in and around Delhi under the Act has assumed “menacing proportionsâ€.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_23-5-2005_pg3_6

Just came across this! :coffee
 

srirangan

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mysterious said:
BOOK REVIEW: Pages from prison —by Ritu Sarin

My Days in Prison
Iftikhar Gilani
Publisher: Penguin India
Pages: 148
Price: Rs 195 (Indian rupees)


If any journalist secretly nourishes a wish to be thrown into jail for the sake of a good narrative, Iftikhar Gilani’s soon-to-be-released My Days in Prison (Penguin, Rs 195) should discourage him. (Mr Gilani is the New Delhi correspondent of Daily Times.)

For, not only has Gilani exposed the susceptibility of a scribe in being targeted with trumped-up charges (in his case, under the antiquated Official Secrets Act), he has also revealed the extent to which the government’s intelligence agencies can stoop to make the charges stick.

In Gilani’s case, it took seven months in the high-security Tihar jail — which he qualifies as one of the “worst prisons in India†— before charges against him were withdrawn at the behest of former defence minister George Fernandes.

Significantly, Gilani writes that at the time of his arrest in June 2002, there were “at least†30 other inmates in Tihar jail facing OSA charges. Almost all the cases were moving at a painfully slow pace.

Besides the shocking description of the manner in which he was called a “traitor†and thrashed by the inmates on his arrival (he fainted at the end of it) and the account of the rampant corruption inside the jail, Gilani writes about incidents which hurt his sensibilities as a journalist.

Like the “horror†he experienced when one among the 60 men who had arrived at his house to search and arrest him decided to seal Dominique Lapierrer’s Freedom at Midnight as a “contraband†item.

The jail authorities took weeks vetting books which his wife, Aanisa, carried for him to read. They even “disallowed†Khushwant Singh’s biography and Nelson Mandela’s best-seller, A Long Walk to Freedom.

Gilani narrates how after a month in Tihar, he was permitted to subscribe to a daily newspaper, as per prison rules. His choice was The Indian Express. This is what Gilani says happened: “When I received my copy the very next day, I was surprised to see only the two sports pages. When I asked the convict where the rest of the paper was he simply said the Express has reduced its pages to just two, and there was little I could do about it. In fact, all the other pages were censored as Express had carried an investigative story on the petrol pump scam.â€

Besides being denied such basic rights, Gilani lists the rules which Tihar authorities had unofficially imposed on the hapless inmates. For example, inmates were not allowed to drink tea in cups or sit on a chair; they were always made to walk in queues; stop whenever they saw any jail official approaching and address him as “sir†with folded hands. And so on.

“Anyone breaking any of the above (rules), even by mistake,†Gilani writes, “would come in for drastic punishment. I once saw a prisoner thrashed at deodhi (gate) because he had dared to drink water out of a cup... I also remember seeing an inmate punished for remaining seated on a bench outside the deodhi when a doctor happened to pass by...â€

It is evident from his narrative that the OSA case against him was the handiwork of the Intelligence Bureau and that, in fact, the Special Branch of Delhi Police initially refused to book him on such flimsy evidence. The back-up plan, which he became privy to later, was to take him to Jammu, “plant†some RDX on him and then show it as a recovery.

Eventually, the crucial “recovery†made from his house was a 48-page booklet on deployment of forces in Kashmir, which was taken as a “secret sensitive document†by members of the raiding party. Even the then home minister, LK Advani, was informed about what a major seizure it was.

It was this document that Gilani’s lawyers and friends later proved in court was available in the public domain, thus forcing the government to withdraw the OSA case. “(But) my heart goes out to those poor souls whom I saw rotting behind bars in Tihar. They were not so fortunate as to have their version presented to the public through the press,†writes Gilani.

His book also makes a strong case for what he calls “urgent course correction†in the handling of OSA cases. Several such cases have been listed in the book. Gilani says, the tendency to book people in and around Delhi under the Act has assumed “menacing proportionsâ€.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_23-5-2005_pg3_6

Just came across this! :coffee


Cool! Now do you realize that till now you've been quoting a convicted and jailed criminal? Anyway, as Webmaster wanted, I shall now stop talking about the author, let's get back to topic. ;)
 

mysterious

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"Falsely charged" if you read the article properly. If he was a criminal, he'd be rotting in that jail but was freed after the case was withdrawn when the government realized that the people responsible for 'framing' him hadn't done their job properly!
 

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Some people just never learn... why do you have to drag this shit along? You came online just to post that inspite of all other things (news articles, creative threads in other forums, upload pictures) that you can post and contribute to the forum in more mature fashion!!! Oh, wait... you don't have time for that but you have time derail threads and post irrelevant bs even though you were told to stop derailing the damn topic. Next time when we tell you get back to the topic, get back to the topic is what we mean. If you wish to provide clarification to your points, just edit your previous replies and leave it or better yet exchange lover letters with your opponent through Personal messaging system. Because people come on here to read Defence/Military material not to see two bimbos on each side fight it off because they can't agree on something.

Thread being locked because some girls just don't know when to stop.:coffee

As you can tell, I am sick and tired of this bullshit from you know who.
 
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