B-2 engineer sold stealth technology to several countries!

[PLA2025]

Former engineer Gowadia for the B-2 Spirits stealth bomber was arrested in Hawai for selling secrets of the stealth technology to several countries including to China. He might be sentenced to at least 10 years in jail. This report was published in the German news channel N24 and they are very reliable. I wonder who were the other bidders: Russia? France? India? Japan?

If this is fully true, the stealth technology will be no longer an US only-use technology anymore.

 

[aaaditya]

Former engineer Gowadia for the B-2 Spirits stealth bomber was arrested in Hawai for selling secrets of the stealth technology to several countries including to China. He might be sentenced to at least 10 years in jail. This report was published in the German news channel N24 and they are very reliable. I wonder who were the other bidders: Russia? France? India? Japan?

If this is fully true, the stealth technology will be no longer an US only-use technology anymore.

not necessarily ,since stealth technology has undergone considerable changes since the time of b-2,also i doubt the countries would be india or china since they have no aircraft projects comparable to the b2 and also their existing designs do not seem to have taken any design influence from the b2 and also their future combat aircraft projects seem to be more influenced by the us f22 and the f35 jsf designs.

 

[gf0012-aust]

As exciting as the media have made this out to be, he was in fact only a propulsion engineer - he had nothing to do with stealth signature work.

 

[PLA2025]

The news here said that the stealth technology was sold to several countries and specially named China!
China is unlikely to use the stealth technology to build a stealth long range bomber but might use it to boost the J-XX stealth fighter project by Shenyang. I think that guy didn't sell the whole technology about the B-2 but mainly the stealthy material used on the surface to absorb radar waves. I heard about the stealth technology selling in the internet, but this time it was an official report in a news channel that is not BS.
I knew that such deal or spying would be happen sooner or later. Is the surface of the B-2 more superior to that of the F-117? I'm not sure because the F-117 was started in the late 1970's while the B-2 was ignited in the 1980's and entered service in the late 1990's.

 

[gf0012-aust]

The news here said that the stealth technology was sold to several countries and specially named China!....................

I think that guy didn't sell the whole technology about the B-2 but mainly the stealthy material used on the surface to absorb radar waves. I heard about the stealth technology selling in the internet, but this time it was an official report in a news channel that is not BS.

He was a propulsion engineer - he's also of Indian heritage -and is known to be anti-chinese.

 

[armage]

He was a propulsion engineer - he's also of Indian heritage -and is known to be anti-chinese.

Gf is right, unless China's going for a sealth bomber like that of B-2, there's no point. Think about it, whats the point of putting a sealthy B-2 bomber on a J-XX, wouldn't that just make the plane bigger and fly at subsonic speed?

 

[gf0012-aust]

Think about it, whats the point of putting a sealthy B-2 bomber on a J-XX, wouldn't that just make the plane bigger and fly at subsonic speed?

I can hardly see China coming out with an intercontinental bomber as it defies the logic of the military doctrine in place. ie not to fight beyond the motherland so as to keep logistics lines intact and thus not stretched.

Every US stealth platform built since the "Have nnn" series have been completely different in not only in physical shape, but thus also in the way that they manage their observability.

so, to finalise:

1) The engineer was a propulsion expert and had nothing to do with observability management
2) He's Indian and is apparently anti-chinese
3) Any specs released on the B2 are of limited utility as they are generationally 15+ years old
4) Unless someone is getting back into the intercontinental bomber business - then its a redundant capability - especially in light of stand-off and PGM emphasis.

if you cut away the media hyperbole and "fluff", this has about as much impact as the loss of the F-117 - and no doubt it will suffer from the same volume of urban myths by those who have a tendency to get easily excited at the expense of cautious analysis..

 

[PLA2025]

I said China might be interested in the stealth technology, NOT copying the B-2! So they might study the material being used to absorb the radar waves!
This technology might boost the knowledge of making stealthy surface for the J-XX. You know that Mr. Gowadia is anti-Chinese? How do you know?
Even if he would be anti-Chinese, he is still a greedy man who loves money more than anyting else.

 

[scraw]

I said China might be interested in the stealth technology, NOT copying the B-2! So they might study the material being used to absorb the radar waves!
This technology might boost the knowledge of making stealthy surface for the J-XX. You know that Mr. Gowadia is anti-Chinese? How do you know?

He was a propulsion engineer

Seriously mate touting this guy as something he isn't might let you feel like you can puff your chest out but frankly you're wasting your time.

 

[kingkobra]

I am indian and i heard he was working on landing supression thing of B-2 bomber and his son said his father did nothing and his father is innocent and us government had catch his father by mis unstanding.

 

[PLA2025]

admin: Text deleted. Lets try and avoid the political side of this equation, otherwise we'll have others talking about Chinese law and due process. It's not a path that we want to travel down.

As I said before, I'm just telling you about an official news report, so don't blame me. It is not a fanfiction stuff but of course the US might have used Mr Gowadia to make him a scapegoat to make propaganda that China and some others would be stealing technology from the US.
I don't know whether China really needs the B-2 stealth technology since they have been studying of some leftovers of the shot down F-117 from 1999 in Serbia. It is more likely that Russia and China (and maybe even India) are working on their own stealth technology with some influence from the surface material of the F-117. I heard that Russia is planning to develop an advice called plasma stealth generator but I don't know whether it is just a rumor or else.

 

[kingkobra]

if he is innocent, the FBI should really release him soon. But you know how the US intelligence works. They would rather lock you up for years to be 100% sure that their detainees would be really innocent. Best example is in Guantanamo Bay.
As I said before, I'm just telling you about an official news report, so don't blame me. It is not a fanfiction stuff but of course the US might have used Mr Gowadia to make him a scapegoat to make propaganda that China and some others would be stealing technology from the US.
I don't know whether China really needs the B-2 stealth technology since they have been studying of some leftovers of the shot down F-117 from 1999 in Serbia. It is more likely that Russia and China (and maybe even India) are working on their own stealth technology with some influence from the surface material of the F-117. I heard that Russia is planning to develop an advice called plasma stealth generator but I don't know whether it is just a rumor or else.

I am that much sure if even any Indian will still any tech they will not give it to any Indian Enemy Countrys no matter money but it can be possible that other country can get that from those country to whom that Indian man had sold. Even i saw news yesterday that some chinese r catch because they had stollen some pic and top secreat of Us navy.From Us Navy office Computer hard disc and they send Those pics to china by E-mail and they caught and some caught on airport when they were trying to take top secreat to china.

 

[PLA2025]

Woho! Here comes a censorship when the World police is being critizised! That's what you call freedom of speech???

 

[webmaster]

Woho! Here comes a censorship when the World police is being critizised! That's what you call freedom of speech???

Thats not the point. We want to avoid political arguments and political debates on the DEFENCE forums as much as possible as those debates are the main reasons flame wars start.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Woho! Here comes a censorship when the World police is being critizised! That's what you call freedom of speech???

Well if you're upset about your comments being deleted then perhaps you need to be more circumspect in how you phrase your responses.

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[PLA2025]

There are traitors in every country and I think everyone knows that! And money is always a big factor to make a man's heart falling to seduction.
This is a sad thing but true beacuse we are all human. It doesn't matter what skincolor or nationality you have!
But as I said before, why did the news especially named China? Reality or conspiracy against Mr. Gowadia and China? It is not clear why this news was published.
The ties between China and India aren't founded on solid ground but has witnessed a positive tendency since 2003. Both nations know that they will gain power in Asia and later in world politics. So it is better to start good diplomacy before it gets ugly when it is too late. I see a stronger strategic partnership between Russia, China and India in the future and they might create a pacific strategic alliance like the NATO in the West. Of course there will be obstacles but I think something like that will happen sooner or later. The question is who would profit from such strategic alliance and who would be in disadvantage. I just hope that we can avoid as many conflicts as we can but then we need a stronger UN!

 

[PLA2025]

to gf0012-aust:
Thanks for your reply because it really seems that I misunderstood/ misinterpretated the admin message. I was not aware of the risk of triggering flame wars here, really sorry guys.

 

[Pursuit Curve]

Well, I guess this means that other countries will attempt to bankrupt themselves attempting to duplicate US Technology. Anyways, does this mean that the Chinese or whoever are is such dire straights that they need to get the propullsion system for the B2? This dude was not a stealth Technology guy but a propullsion guy, so lets get our facts straight before anthing else.

 

[turin]

The propulsion system is part of the stealth features, especially with the B-2. Mind you, stealth is not only about low rcs, but about low thermal emissions as well.
The data from such a propulsion system could be put to good use for a variety of applications, from new aircraft to missile propulsion or for developing certain counter-measures.
Such high-tech information is always of interest to all other nations concerned with indigenous projects, so China really is not a special case here. Remember how much information was obtained by the US after WW2 from german R&D, and the US already had a vital and resourceful military industry of their own.

 

[Pursuit Curve]

Turin, true, Stealth is about low observable technology. just not about low RCS, my point is that the Propulsion system is just a piece of the puzzle. If anyone considers the incredible logistics and infrastucture neede just to support a B2, or F117, and the budget neede, then be my guest, for alot of countries the entire defense budget would be used just to make a few aircraft.