Australia and New Zealand Demonstrate its Closeness

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The Wanderer
Mil skills tested on operations
Volume 11, No. 51, September 07, 2006
By Maj James Baker


AUSTRALIAN troops on Operation Astute have kept their skills sharp in a military skills competition, although the Kiwis edged them out for the top honours.

Australian, Malaysian and New Zealand teams involved in the joint task force took part in the mini military skills challenge over two days.

The competition consisted of an 850m run in full combat armour, patrol order and weapons, followed by a magazine-loading activity on the mound, before a timed 30-second shoot at different types of targets at a range of 100m.

The three types of improvised targets – paper plates, bottles and black painted hexamine tablets – were each worth different points.

While the Australian section managed the run in almost record time, the New Zealanders took the trophy when they won the shooting section, where the real points were to be made.

The team made up of unit COs was the high-scorer on the rifle range in a tight contest. The team of unit RSMs and senior soldiers briefly enjoyed the taste of victory until a recount showed the COs actually finished in front.

JTF 631 RSM WO1 Dave Ashley stridently denied the 5.56mm pen ever made an appearance, as integrity was on the line.

Competition judges said the teams that did best were those that trained and where the junior leaders did an appreciation, made a plan, gave orders and then supervised the soldiers.

Section Commander for the 3CSR team LCpl Jason Cipollino said that even though the competition was short, it was still tough.

“Especially for non-infantry people, running around in webbing and body armour and stuff takes it out of you,” he said.

Anzacs on patrol
Volume 11, No. 51, September 07, 2006
By Maj James Baker


On the beat: Cpl Lee James, D Coy Battlegroup Faithful, gives directions to New Zealand soldier Pte Allister Baker, 2/1RNZIR, during a joint patrol in Timor-Leste.
Photo by Cpl Bernard Pearson.
AUSTRALIAN and New Zealand soldiers serving in Timor-Leste have been walking a few miles in each other’s shoes on Operation Astute.

Battlegroup Faithful and the 2/1 Royal New Zealand Infantry Regiment’s D Coy have been exchanging soldiers for a week at a time.

So far more than 100 soldiers from both countries have lived and worked for a week with a section from the other country.

JTF 631 RSM WO1 Dave Ashley devised the scheme as a way of keeping soldiers sharp, giving them new experiences and teaching them new skills.

“On an operation or an exercise, we know there may be a Kiwi company next to us on the exercise, but the actual soldiers at grassroots level don’t get to see the Kiwis. They may only be referred to in orders groups,” WO1 Ashley said.

“Here’s an opportunity to get Kiwis to work in the actual sections with Australians, and Australians to work in sections with Kiwis – for the first time ever as far as I am aware.”

WO1 Ashley said that one advantage of the scheme was that both Australian and New Zealand soldiers were required to act as hosts for soldiers from another country.

“When you do that of course you switch on. If you’re picked as a soldier to be the national representative to another country, you will also switch on,” he said.

“It has been one of the means by which we have kept our guys alert. Nobody is going to let their team down.”

The soldiers report that seeing the other country’s kit, tactics, techniques and procedures, meeting their Anzac counterparts up close, and learning the way their close ally does business, have been the highlights.

Pte Matthew Jarvis said he enjoyed the chance to spend a week living and working with D Coy, 2/1 RNZIR.

“Their standing operating procedures are similar to ours. And meeting some of the guys, swapping some gear over and seeing how they operate, that was all great,” he said.

Kiwi soldiers too are singing the praises of the scheme. Pte Allister Baker was impressed with the .50 cal machine gun, as well as the thermal imager and mortars.

He said what he enjoyed most about the exchange was “probably the people. There are good fellers here”.

Pte Dayne Rameka was also impressed with the kit.

“They’ve got some mean kit here, so it was good to learn about that stuff,” he said.

“Between our nations though, we’ve all got pros and cons about our own kit. A lot of Aussies like our kit, and we like a lot of your kit. But that’s soldiers for you.”

Every Australian soldier returning to the battlegroup after the exchange is required to write a report on their experience.

WO2 John Hando, CSM of D Coy, Battlegroup Faithful, supervised the Kiwis coming into his company, and reviewed his own soldiers’ post-exchange reports.

“With soldiers, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

“Through these exchanges they realise their equipment is pretty good. And they also pick up other ideas and other ways of doing things, and maybe incorporate them into their own way of doing things,” WO2 Hando said.


Recent articles in the Army news FYI, its great to see them working together and keeping the ANZAC's spirit strong. Well done Kiwis for taking the day :)
 

old faithful

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Dave Ashley was my platoon SGT in 1992, i can personally vouch that he would run just about anyone into the ground in near record time,the bloke is a grey hound who,s bite is every bit as bad as his bark! A pro in every sense of the word.;)
 

NZLAV

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Pround to be a Kiwi!! :D It shows the Kiwi's are a great force to have at your side. I believe the New Zealand force is a force that is very very powerful when deployed with allies because they have such a high level of skill and have a well equipt land force.
 

icelord

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You would be surprised how many kiwis are actually in the RAR. It seems as though every platoon that goes into Kapooka has at least one NZ bro, kinda like the token kiwi guy.:rolleyes:
 

Mr Waka

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The exercise seemed to be well enjoyed by all participants and it looks as though all learnt much from this.

Is there a possiblilty that this event could be again held annually?


(silly idea) I wonder if there is anychance that this could lead to forces eg: Australia and New Zealand setting up new combined special forces like a ANZ SAS or Commando group where soliders from both countries are put together in a permanent section not like short-term exchanges currently ???
Having only the best men from both countries accepted so that skills ideas and resources could be merged to create a Higher level of Special forces
but have it under command by a central centre with a board made up by both New Zealand and Australian Officers?

just an idea.... What you guys think ???

Great work by nz for taking away top honours


GO THE KIWI'S.........:jump2
 

pepsi

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Mr Waka said:
The exercise seemed to be well enjoyed by all participants and it looks as though all learnt much from this.

Is there a possiblilty that this event could be again held annually?


(silly idea) I wonder if there is anychance that this could lead to forces eg: Australia and New Zealand setting up new combined special forces like a ANZ SAS or Commando group where soliders from both countries are put together in a permanent section not like short-term exchanges currently ???
Having only the best men from both countries accepted so that skills ideas and resources could be merged to create a Higher level of Special forces
but have it under command by a central centre with a board made up by both New Zealand and Australian Officers?
It would probably be impossible due to Aus/NZ having different foreign policies, and political leaders which may not agree on issues relating to deployment of such a force
 

Mr Waka

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Even though both nz and Aus dont have the same view on certain policies with Aus having a more helping hand in combat related areas. Nz says that they disagree with such things and are "only" in Iraq and other countries such as Afganistan in Re-construction of some form or another in helping local areas and their communities.

Yet Nz still tries to keep quiet all hush hush it's armies crack team the NZSAS and all of it's deployments, actions hidden from public. With this Unit/Organisation co-operating and working along side such units from other countries including the Australian and British SAS and USA's Delta unit in an combative theatre which is the complete opposite to which the current Nz government is stating that it acts on in "peace keeping" .

Thats why i think it could, just might, work with a small bit of hope be able to work.:p: I mean generally speaking wherever the NZSAS is the Aus SAS is.
There could also be a possibility that the NZSAS and Aus SAS could form a merging unit whenever called out at to the same conflict?

Dunn0 ae just another idea i guess
 
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Mr Waka said:
Even though both nz and Aus dont have the same view on certain policies with Aus having a more helping hand in combat related areas. Nz says that they disagree with such things and are "only" in Iraq and other countries such as Afganistan in Re-construction of some form or another in helping local areas and their communities.

Yet Nz still tries to keep quiet all hush hush it's armies crack team the NZSAS and all of it's deployments, actions hidden from public. With this Unit/Organisation co-operating and working along side such units from other countries including the Australian and British SAS and USA's Delta unit in an combative theatre which is the complete opposite to which the current Nz government is stating that it acts on in "peace keeping" .

Thats why i think it could, just might, work with a small bit of hope be able to work.:p: I mean generally speaking wherever the NZSAS is the Aus SAS is.
There could also be a possibility that the NZSAS and Aus SAS could form a merging unit whenever called out at to the same conflict?

Dunn0 ae just another idea i guess
I won't say it's a bad idea, but I think it'd lessen overall capability within each respective unit. For starters each unit has domestic Counter-Terrorism duties within their own Country. Would you suggest either Country should lose this capability?

If you were to combine both units into one, there'd be little need for separate bases and indeed separate bases would require increased efforts for supporting assets. Neither unit operates alone even when it DOESN"T operate with other specwarops units.

They require combat support (ie: logisitics supply), Signals, aviation (helo's), intelligence, topographical (maps etc) and medical/dental support for operations, plus Navy and Air Force assets for particulars roles and OS deployment capability.

On top of that, given the size of the Australian unit compared to that of NZ (3x Sqns compared to 1x) and the training assets and areas needed to support a specwarops capability, it would be unrealistic to move the Australian unit to NZ, so NZ would probably have to move to Australia. Would this be acceptable to the NZ Government? I doubt it.

Sub-Unit's could probably be detached for longer periods than now, but I don't see a real benefit for either party. The level of capability they each provide now is outstanding and I really can't see that such drastic changes would help improve it...
 
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