Attacking with only 1 fireteam, possible?

squadtac

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Hi all,

I have 2 questions:

1) Does army sometimes attack an ennemy position with only 1 fireteam? Or is the squad the smallest unit attacking an ennemy position?

2) In British Army, why do both fireteams forming an infantry section have 1 LMG (Light Machine Gun)? What does the private carrying the LMG do in the fireteam chosen for maneuver during a squad attack? Isn't the LMG a weapon for suppressive fire? Wouldn't it be better to have LMG for only 1 fireteam which would be always chosen for base of fire?

Thanks,
Best regards.
 

Simon9

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1) Does army sometimes attack an ennemy position with only 1 fireteam? Or is the squad the smallest unit attacking an ennemy position?.
Well, the smallest unit to attack an enemy position would be a single rifleman! It's like asking "how long is a piece of string?" It entirely depends on the situation. But doctrinally the basic rule is "Three is to One" - ie the attacker must have at least three times the men of the defender. So if the enemy position consisted of two men, you'd generally want more than a single fire team. But like I said, it depends on the situation. If those two men had a GPMG and were well dug-in, you'd definitely want more than a squad to launch an attack.

2) In British Army, why do both fireteams forming an infantry section have 1 LMG (Light Machine Gun)?
So that both fire teams have a suppression weapon.

What does the private carrying the LMG do in the fireteam chosen for maneuver during a squad attack?
He assaults with the rest of them, and trust me, it's not fun being that private when you're leopard-crawling with the damn thing!

Isn't the LMG a weapon for suppressive fire?
Yes, but there's no reason he can't use it for suppressive fire during the assault as part of the maneouvre team. It won't be the most accurate shooting but he'll still get a lot more rounds downrange than the riflemen in the team.


Wouldn't it be better to have LMG for only 1 fireteam which would be always chosen for base of fire?
You can't always choose which of your teams is going to be the base of fire. Particularly in complex terrain, and in things like counter-ambush drills. It's better to have both teams capable of doing both roles.

What's happened is that LMGs have gotten lighter but they pack less firepower (say, the Minimi compared to the M-60). In the Cold War days there was a big imbalance - your assault team was all riflemen and consisted of the bulk of the squad, while your suppressing team had a MMG and was only a few men. This was necessary because it wasn't really possible to assault with a MMG, particularly if it's a two-man team. But this isn't the best situation in complex terrain like MOUT because you only have one team capable of operating properly. The three-man MMG team isn't much good for clearing rooms, and so on.

These days things are trending towards two equal fireteams because the LMGs are lighter. This means you can assault with them (kind of!) but two automatic weapons per section are desireable so you can use either team for either task, and also because LMGs like the Minimi don't offer as much firepower. So now either team can assault and either team can be fire support. You can also fit more teams together if you need to - you might use three teams for a particular task, and you can use them all interchangably without worrying whether you've ended up with three rifle teams, or three machine gun teams.

This is why modern fire teams are sometimes called "bricks" - because they are the "building blocks" that you can build bigger forces from.
 

squadtac

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Thank you!

Thank you very much for your answer Simon9.

Thanks,
Best regards.
 

buglerbilly

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There is, apparently, a new Squad structure being used by "some" of the Light Infantry regiments sent to Iraq............

Squad Leader with SA80A2 plus 40mm underslung GL

Deputy with Standard SA80A2

3 X LSW's long-barreled SA80A2's

2 x Minimi's LMG

1 x GPMG 7.62mm MMG

This differs somewhat from previous structures used by the RM as an example, which had 2 x 40mm GL plus rifle, 2 x Minimi's, 2 x LSW's and 2 x standard rifle. The RM appears to have the GPMG's in their Heavy Weapons support teams as a part of their platoon structure.

Regards,

BUG
 

Tasman

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There is, apparently, a new Squad structure being used by "some" of the Light Infantry regiments sent to Iraq............

Squad Leader with SA80A2 plus 40mm underslung GL

Deputy with Standard SA80A2

3 X LSW's long-barreled SA80A2's

2 x Minimi's LMG

1 x GPMG 7.62mm MMG

This differs somewhat from previous structures used by the RM as an example, which had 2 x 40mm GL plus rifle, 2 x Minimi's, 2 x LSW's and 2 x standard rifle. The RM appears to have the GPMG's in their Heavy Weapons support teams as a part of their platoon structure.

Regards,

BUG
That is an interesting structure Bug.

A GPMG and 2 Minimis certainly provide a lot of firepower for an eight man team.

Cheers
 
A

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That is an interesting structure Bug.

A GPMG and 2 Minimis certainly provide a lot of firepower for an eight man team.

Cheers
It has often been mooted for Australian light infantry sections to grow by one or 2 men and allow for the re-introduction of th MAG-58 GPMG into sections for this very reason.

When combined with the F-89 Minimi's, 40mm GLA's and M72A6 SRAAW's, this structure provides a LOT of firepower from a small unit...

And that's always good isn't it? (Except if you're "down range" from it of course...) :D
 

riksavage

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This dramatic increase in fire-power at section level is due to lessons learnt, or rather reinforced in Iraq and Afghanistan. Winning the fire-fight in short-order saves lives, particularly when you are in an ambush or CQB scenario, whether on the receiving or giving end!

With the introduction of 50 cal’s and automatic grenade launches at the section / platoon level (vehicle mounted) we are also witnessing a huge increase in locally available heavy-weight fire-power on call by section commanders. Unheard of a few years ago when all they had was two fire-teams armed with standard infantry rifles, grenades, LAWS and a couple of LMG’s.

It would be interesting to compare and contrast coaltion section fire-power available in Afghanistan now to what Russian sections carried during their time in-country in the 80's (AK47's, PKM's and RPG's).
 

Waylander

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Another reasons for this equipment is that most patrols in Iraq and nearly all patrols in A-stan are at least motorized.
Mobility by foot is not that important.
Pinning down the enemy till you get your airstrike or arty support is normal tactic there so many weapons which get much metal into the air are loved.
 

Simon9

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It does seem odd to put in 3 x LSWs when there are already 2 Minimis and a GPMG. The only reason I can think for it is that they're relying on the bipod and SUSAT to make them into designated marksmen rather than in the SAW role. LSWs aren't going to add much to the suppression fire of a section with that many MGs, it would seem better to add another GL instead.

It's not unusual to see MAG-58s in Australian infantry platoons on operations these days, even though 'officially' they're assigned at company or battalion level.
 

Waylander

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I would also have imagined that a DMR is highly appreciated in A-stan.
Especially with so many 5.56mm weapons in the squad a 7.72mm DMR should be usefull given the sometimes bog distances over there.
Other armies are already doing this.
 
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