AFM interview with the PAF ACM

joker

New Member
Got this from Pakdef.info

The interview should put an end to all the speculation out there on PAFs next generation fighter. Its not going to be the EF, Rafale, M2K-5 or the Gripen but the J10 along with the SD 10.


ACM Kaleem Sadat, AVM Shahzad Aslam (PAF Deputy Chief of Air Operations) & AVM Shahid Lateef (Chief Project Director of the JF 17) interviewed by Alan Warnes.

1) the article has an official table of weapons likely to be integrated... interestingly enough the SD 10 is not listed and instead the Mica and Aspide are.

2) One possiblity for the anti radiation missile is to utilise a BVR weapons but change the seeker.

3) 14 Mirages being upgraded to Rose III standard (to include FLIR and other unmentioned avionics upgrade)

4) Lebanese Mirages being inducted

5) Upgrading the F7Ps with Grifo 7 radar nearly complete

6) F7PGs will be upgraded with Grifo 7PG radar next.

7) A total of 30 K8s planned for for the role of advanced training at Mianwali by 2007... FT5s to be phased out by then.

8) In 2001 the PAF decided to decouple the avionics system from the plaftorm desing of the JF17 thus giving the programme a major boost and the PAF the flexibility to continually update their avionics system in line with new technologies.

9) Will be interfacing the avionics and weapon systems with a modern 1553 (avionics)/1760 (weapons)power PC based mission computerallowing for a glass cockpit. Mission computer will allow for further expansion of aircrafts capabilities.

*FIAR Grifo S radar to be initially integrated with avionics of PT05 and the SD 10 but final decision has yet to be made.

10) the JF17 will undergo 5 upgrades throughout its life including aerial refuelling, IRST, stealth features (ram coating) and improvements in the thrust to weight ratio.

11) J10s most likley the 4th gen fighter.. Paf trying to integrate western sub systems and will include refuelling probe. Western fighters not likely to be inducted due to sanctions.

PAF evaluating both the Chinese AEW and the Erieye
 

adsH

New Member
Ohh mann screwed comes to mind, no offense PAF is going Indigenous !! :cop gone are the days of foreign purchases!! actually would be better seems like Kashmir issue should be resolved soon and PAF would have time to upgrade its own Indigenous built AC to advance specs!! what is the avionics PT05 ??
 

adsH

New Member
can some one tell me what PT05 look like its abilities,
I can see joker said something about decoupling the avionics developed, so that would mean the integrated solution was further modularized. so each component could be individually be upgraded and integrated with the rest of the package without significant cost and time, Does any one have any further information about these sort of upgrades would the PAF J-10 have similar but more upgraded avionics or would it only surpass JF-17 on Physical abilities. One thing will put every one at ease is that PAF EW suite is Indigenous so no one would know whats coming !! but any ways does any one know the Specs of the PT05. they say that no western AC would be inducted a bold move and a clever one!! no foreign reliance and no foreign reserves transferred outward, this would aid to build a local industry

Power PC " based mission computer assumeing we are talking about widely comercially available Motorola chip

Freescale Semiconductor offers a premier line of award-winning, high-performance PowerPC processors for the computing, networking infrastructure, and telecommunications applications. In the decade since the first PowerPC products entered the market, the PowerPC core architecture has steadily evolved in performance and capability to produce today's powerful MPC74xx processors from Freescale Semiconductor. These PowerPC devices incorporate tens of millions of transistors on a chip and are manufactured in state-of-the-art 130nm silicon-on-insulator (SOI) process technology, migrating soon to 90nm and beyond. A hallmark of the MPC74xx family is its optimal balance of high performance and low power dissipation—delivering gigahertz-class performance at less than 10W—making it an ideal solution for power-sensitive embedded applications. The next-generation of high-performance PowerPC processors will leverage the compatible e600 core and leverage the PowerPC e600 System-on-Chip platform for greater performance and integration.
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
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Londo Molari said:
Excellent news. Its about time we stopped relying on backstabbers.
and when you speak like that about potential suppliers, you wonder why they lose interest and have no desire to sell to you (even without embargoes)??
 
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Aussie Digger

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Hmm, they can't get Western fighters due to sanctions, but they can get Western AWACS (ie: Erieye) and western avionics, weapons and radars?
 

mysterious

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My explanation to that is that since India now already has its Phalcons on order; Pakistan would not be denied permission to get AWACS or ERIEYE for itself because it would not tilt the balance in Pakistan's favor. It would rather cancel out the tilt in India's favor and keep things balanced. :smokingc:
 

srirangan

Banned Member
Pakistan won't be given AWACS because of the close co-operation betw Pakistan and China. It's a known fact that China and Pakistan share technology, and USA is keen to deny China effective AWACS.

Also USA approved the sale of AWACS to India not to tilt the Indo-Pak scene in India's favour; but they wanted to tilt the Indo-China scene in India's favour.
 

mysterious

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Pakistan will eventually get the AWACS, whether its the E-3C, Erieye or the Chinese AWACS. The Chinese AWACS along with the Chinses FT-2000 would certainly be enough for PAF requirements (though Chinese AWACS still needs quite a bit of improvement I think).
 
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Aussie Digger

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I don't think the US would try and stop the sale of Erieye to Pakistan. If anything Sweden would be more likely to deny it PAF than the US. Non-Nuclear Countries generally feel quite threatened by countries like Pakistan possessing Nuclear Devices...
 

srirangan

Banned Member
Yeah PAK might get Chinese AWACS, but what good are they when Chinese themselves wanted the PHALCONS.

Non-Nuclear Countries generally feel quite threatened by countries like Pakistan possessing Nuclear Devices...
That is very correct. Europe is used to being so vulnerable like it is now so their suspicions may well be justified.
 

mysterious

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I dont see Europe in any vulnerable position as long as NATO is around. Erieye has the brightest chances of coming Pakistan's way - bottom line.
 

adsH

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Guys sweden is desperate for some money they need sales do you honestly think they would deny a potential billion dollar contract when there is no real cause for concern, pluss i think Saudi Arabia wants the same system as the PAF for network compatibility, so don't be suprised if PAF get the Swede AWAC.

Prior to the military coupe the swedes did almost sign a contract with pakistan, the deal is about 10 year old negotiations have been takeing place for a long time.
 

srirangan

Banned Member
Okay here's the deal. EU has arm's sale ban over China. If sweden sells the AWACS to Pakistan then it has by default sold it to China too. USA doesn't like that and won't let that happen.
 

adsH

New Member
srirangan said:
Okay here's the deal. EU has arm's sale ban over China. If sweden sells the AWACS to Pakistan then it has by default sold it to China too. USA doesn't like that and won't let that happen.
what is this a logic block the embargo is on china not Pakistan Europe has been selling weapons to Pak since the US had embargoed stuff on them the US has no Control on us (europe).
 

srirangan

Banned Member
They are selling weapons, but not strategic weapons. That is because the general perception is that anything sold to Pakistan is automatically accessible to the Chinese. And there's no denying that USA has a considerable influence over European nations, especially in these matters.
 

Oqaab

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srirangan said:
Okay here's the deal. EU has arm's sale ban over China. If sweden sells the AWACS to Pakistan then it has by default sold it to China too. USA doesn't like that and won't let that happen.
If the US can sell C-130s, P-3C Orions and Attack Choppers, then they can sell us AWACS too. Ur theory is getting old.
 

srirangan

Banned Member
Strategic effect of good AWACS is being totally ignored by you. We just cannot compare the significance of the stuff you mentioned with the PHALCONS. And C-130s and the Choppers were mainly sold so that Pak can conduct a succesful Afghan offensive. You are missing my point.
 
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