ADF General discussion thread

downunderblue

Active Member
Actually, just to prove my point, I just looked within the inspiring 'really dumb news stories' thread and found there the below post by Sandhi Yudha about using semi directional explosives to blow up a 45 foot 8 tonne whale.

On that day they have learned an important lesson.
Check out the explosion and brilliant dead pan journo plainly talking about the positives and negatives of disposing a whale that way. It just goes to show that stimulating content can also be found elsewhere that gives us a break from AU politics ...

 

Bluey

New Member
I just saw a newsflash on the screen of the ABC coverage of the election stating that labor has vowed to spend an extra 20b on defence by 2030. I can’t find another source for this. Has anyone else heard anything about this?
 

hauritz

Well-Known Member
I just saw a newsflash on the screen of the ABC coverage of the election stating that labor has vowed to spend an extra 20b on defence by 2030. I can’t find another source for this. Has anyone else heard anything about this?
The official ALP policy was to lift spending to 2.3% of GDP. Whether they deliver on that remains to be seen.
 

DDG38

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
Remember the launch of the recruitment of Kiwis into the ADF ? Yeah, that's not going so well. Canberra Times article from last month :

Just three foreign recruits despite new rules

By Eleanor Campbell,The Canberra Times
Thursday 10 April 2025 at 12:00:00 am AEST| 522 words, 442cm²

ONLY three foreign recruits have joined Australia's military nearly a year since the government loosened entry criteria to help fill a critical shortfall in uniformed troops, with hundreds of foreigners flocking to join the armed forces.

About 519 New Zealanders have applied to serve in the nation's armed forces since Defence's eligibility rules were widened in July 2024 to allow non-citizens.

Changes to increase Defence's potential recruitment pool were rolled out after the ADF fell 5000 personnel short of its annual staffing target of 63,500 last year.

With the average wait time for a domestic recruit sitting above 250 days, The Canberra Times can reveal three foreign applicants have been enlisted as of April 9.

Two foreign recruits from New Zealand have joined the navy, and one individual has enlisted to join the army.

Professor Peter Dean, who co-led the Defence Strategic Review that called to recruit citizens from friendly nations, welcomed a boost in foreign recruitment but said the enlistment figures were "exceptionally disappointing".

"It's frankly not good enough and demonstrates the systems' inability to adapt at the speed required," he told The Canberra Times.

"Part of this process was to accept more risk to alleviate the risk being carried by the shortage of personnel. These statistics show that this outcome is yet to be achieved."

As well as meeting entry standards and security requirements, permanent residents wishing to join the ADF must have lived in Australia for at least one year prior to applying, not served in a foreign military in the past two years, and be able to attain Australian citizenship.

Eligible American, British and Canadian citizens have been able to apply to join the military since January 1, and 74 applications are currently being processed.

Once accepted, foreign applicants need to perform 90 days of military service to be fast-tracked into Australian citizenship.

Asked about the processing delays, a spokesperson for Defence Minister Richard Marles pointed to a spike in recruitment under the Labor government.

In the last 12 months, more than 69,000 people applied to join the ADF, an increase of more than 18 per cent from the previous year.

Mr Marles told 2GB last month that the average processing time for an application had fallen from 300 days to 268 days over the past two years.

"There's a message here to hang in there. But the main message here is that we are going to get this processing time down," he said.

Opposition defence spokesman Andrew Hastie has suggested ADF recruitment be brought back inhouse following failures on behalf of Defence's overseas contractor to meet its performance targets.

"There's a real culture of risk aversion within recruiting," he said in February.

"I'd like to see more uniformed personnel put on the job because they're the ones who should be selecting who they fight with."
 

spoz

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That’s good???! When I had something to do with recruiting - monitoring it, nobody in their right mind would actually have me in a potential recruit facing role - the average to get an RAN recruit though the process and in to Cerberus was around 45 days! Even for officers, the average was only a bit over 180! 268 is appalling.
 

protoplasm

Active Member
That’s good???! When I had something to do with recruiting - monitoring it, nobody in their right mind would actually have me in a potential recruit facing role - the average to get an RAN recruit though the process and in to Cerberus was around 45 days! Even for officers, the average was only a bit over 180! 268 is appalling.
And this is why I can’t get school leavers into the ADF. They move on to something else after being stuffed around for 9+months. When Apprenticeship brokers have it all sorted in 30 days the ADF loses almost everytime.
 

Stampede

Well-Known Member
That’s good???! When I had something to do with recruiting - monitoring it, nobody in their right mind would actually have me in a potential recruit facing role - the average to get an RAN recruit though the process and in to Cerberus was around 45 days! Even for officers, the average was only a bit over 180! 268 is appalling.
I just cannot understand such a long recruitment process.
I can understand an entry level position into one of the three services of 45 days.
Officers and specialists 180 days ( half a year )
Still seems too long
This young generation for right or wrong think/ want / act in a timely fashion.
Defence as an employer need to recognise both this need and challenge.
Back in the 80s went to an information night one week and signed up the next.
A couple of parade nights in civi attire pending getting uniform and kit and then off to recruit course.
Information night to pass out parade under 45 days

Whats changed to prevent this happening today?



Cheers S
 

Volkodav

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I wonder if external vetting and checking has any part to play?

Home Affairs ASIC and NSSIC passes take longer than security clearances. Government loves their linea processes where the next part doesn't start until the previous is finished.

They also outsource but then add layer upon layer of assurance and governance to everything, slowing things down. Panels boards, reviews, reports, etc. meeting after meeting discussing.

I don't know if this is how recruiting works but u have seen it in other areas of defence.

On the civilian side recruitment is even worse. Every role, even those that logically should be 100% internal succession of suitably qualified and experienced personnel (SQEP} are advertised and recruited externally, in the name of "fairness" resulting in the person who has been trained, mentored and filling the role being passed over, demoted from their temporary level and having to train their new boss.

Retention side, I've seen multiple good uniform people screwed over on postings to fill needs driven by the failure the recruit and retain sufficient uniform and civilian talent to release them.
 

DDG38

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Whats changed to prevent this happening today?
Cheers S
Simple answer, they moved from a recruitment model of having uniformed members doing the face to face recruitment to outsourcing to a private company. The last contract expired a couple of years ago and for some reason they picked a Swiss company that clearly is in way over it's head. See previous senate estimates where they asked questions about the whole process.
 

DDG38

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
I wonder if external vetting and checking has any part to play?

Home Affairs ASIC and NSSIC passes take longer than security clearances. Government loves their linea processes where the next part doesn't start until the previous is finished.

They also outsource but then add layer upon layer of assurance and governance to everything, slowing things down. Panels boards, reviews, reports, etc. meeting after meeting discussing.

I don't know if this is how recruiting works but u have seen it in other areas of defence.

On the civilian side recruitment is even worse. Every role, even those that logically should be 100% internal succession of suitably qualified and experienced personnel (SQEP} are advertised and recruited externally, in the name of "fairness" resulting in the person who has been trained, mentored and filling the role being passed over, demoted from their temporary level and having to train their new boss.

Retention side, I've seen multiple good uniform people screwed over on postings to fill needs driven by the failure the recruit and retain sufficient uniform and civilian talent to release them.
The only checks required for ADF recruitment is a psych test and initial security clearance (which encompasses an employment check - police check etc). The security clearance process starts before they join recruit school. High level clearances can take longer (4 - 6 months on average) but generally are completed before the recruit finishes IET. The bottleneck seems to be the company running recruitment and their internal processes that's slowing things down.
 
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