iambuzzard
Well-Known Member
Do they want to defend the ships or not.
I'm just a stupid layman hobby shop owner but even I can see the stupidity of having them undefended.
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I'm just a stupid layman hobby shop owner but even I can see the stupidity of having them undefended.
Todjaeger
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Some of it would come down to the threat assessments. If the LHD's never deploy to an area where someone might target them with AShM, say by the RAN only deploying them to support ADF and AusGov ops in & around the S. Pacific, and no conflict involving Australia is going on, then fitting CIWS is overkill. OTOH if the LHD's were to deploy to the Persian Gulf, or even have to transit the Red Sea, fitting CIWS would make perfect sense.
Much depends on what gov't would want to do with the ships, and what potential threats they would face whilst doing it.
Not sure I directly commented on the DDGs combat system, tactics or SOPs just their inner kinetic defence.I just have to say that your thoughts and scepticism on the DDG combat system and weapons ability as well as tactics and SOPs in handle incoming threats, as well as your perceived limitations of Phalanx Block1B are a little bit unfounded.
and that's all I will say about that
The later as I’m sure you’re aware is a part of many layers of soft and hard kill options.
For the last few kms you would need 360 degree coverage. A single CIWS does not do that hence why most navy’s have a pair of such weapons or alternatively a missile based system . Eg gun based phalanx evolving to missile based RAM
Note Hunter and Mogami.
Re 25mm bushmaster this is not the calibre of choice employed by new build ship’s globally.
There’s a reason for that. It’s inadequate in many domains. Hence toy!
With regards to the combat management system I’m sure it’s very good.
Yet we are still to upgrade this element of the Hobarts at the expense of many billions of dollars.
Apparently very good is not good enough!
Even if the Hobarts were the best ship in the world it also comes down to numbers.
Hence my comment about only having two in the water today.
Which in sad reality is our total realistic fleet response to a major real threat.
Premise being the ANZACs for all their attributes also have significant limitations.
Most of my commentary was about the fleet currently and it’s sad state of options it gives to government.
Yes yes , yes I’m on the negativity bus.
But as a long term observer of defence matters over the decades it’s been both evident and frustrating looking at decisions made in the past and today seeing the consequences of those decisions.
Cheers S
